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    Posted: 26 Jan 18 at 10:50am
Originally posted by 423zero

Nice post Peaky +1
Mess about in boats and out, as much fun to be had falling in.
plenty of tech and faffing.
good group of motivated people on the whole.



Yup, that's it.

The thing that seem to be lacking in modern training is the simply 'messing about in boats' element that was such a crucial part of my introduction to dinghy sailing. If it had been all formal training in my day I doubt I would be sailing boats now.........



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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by 423zero

Nice post Peaky +1
Mess about in boats and out, as much fun to be had falling in.
plenty of tech and faffing.
good group of motivated people on the whole.



Yup, that's it.

The thing that seem to be lacking in modern training is the simply 'messing about in boats' element that was such a crucial part of my introduction to dinghy sailing. If it had been all formal training in my day I doubt I would be sailing boats now.........

Agreed
 
Show ‘em/teach ‘em it’s fun and you are most of the way there, the majority will work out the rest for themselves, because they then want to master it.

this in contrast to the colour-by-numbers style official method 


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I’m basing this next post on the very limited recent experience of observing L1&2 teaching at Draycote, so maybe not universal; but even though there is a formula being followed, there still seems to be a fair amount of messing about boats and laughing going on... I do wonder if those of us harbouring ill views towards the RYA system are
Maybe reading it all a little too literally from some website copy rather than experiencing it on the ground with relaxed and enthusiastic instructors?
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I'd be fairly suprised if many clubs do the syllabus and only the syllabus without a reasonable mixture of less serious stuff.
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I'm sure they do and the enthusiasm of the instructors is probably the key but our current 'health and safety' culture makes it difficult (or even impossible) for them to allow young sailors to experience the freedom I had as a kid. I was shown the basics and then shoved off in an Optimist to work it out for myself. Safety cover was probably my dad fiddling with his OK on the beach......
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There was an old movie reel on BBC4 the other day about folk and boats in the UK in the sixties and half of them were wearing ordinary clothes and some out on the wire. The difference from those days to these is chalk and cheese and we wonder why participation in regimented 'fun' is dropping off. Treating people like idiots, wrapping them in cotton wool, it's bloody embarrassing to watch never mind be a part of, I'm sure if I had to endure all that there is absolutely no way I'd have anything to do with it. All trussed up in Buoyancy vests and God knows what, to go out in the noon day sun, with he assumption that everyone has zero common sense and can't swim a stroke... What do we expect, when our own experiences were so much more adventurous, I don't think I even told my parents I was going to try the sailing dinghy attached to the back of our Broads cruiser, I just hoisted up the rig made my sister sit still and off we went...9 and 6 years old, imagine that today?

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I just hoisted up the rig made my sister sit still and off we went...9 and 6 years old, imagine that today?

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But I don't want to know how many people died in sailing-related accidents in the 60s compared to now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fab100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 18 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by Eisvogel

But I don't want to know how many people died in sailing-related accidents in the 60s compared to now.

I recall no difference, at least to the 70s when I started. Hell, half the guys in the local keelboats I started crewing my dad in could not swim.

The counter argument is lifted from Clarkson. If you want people to drive slowly and safely, you'd put a big spike on the steering wheel, remove all the air-bags, seat-belts with tensioners and ban crumple-zones and SIPS.

We are programmed to take risks. The safer you make stuff, the chancier the behaviour
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 18 at 1:44pm
I agree with the fun bit on a small lake, but anything like Draycote and larger or the sea, then no, why should the volunteer RNLI have to be called out from their sunday lunch or kids birthday party because some knobs kids have blown out to sea, no buoyancy, ordinary clothes, shoes, no radios etc.
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