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    Posted: 24 Jan 18 at 11:02am
Originally posted by iGRF

I was being pointedly obtuse

You've never done that before  LOL
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Not exactly sure what you think is wrong with RYA approach ? 
What would you do instead ?
I have actually done RYA level 1& 2, people who are slating RYA approach, have you actually done courses yourselves ?
I enjoyed course, centre where I did my course actively encouraged people to join a sailing club and to take up racing, I was given a list of clubs and contact details for best person to talk to.
I can't see how centre where I did my course could improve ?
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There is a small minority in the sailing world, who are a vocal minority here but drip enough BS to sound like a majority, who are just anti RYA.

I have kids who are loving their squad work.  I recognise some of the coach behaviours criticised earlier in this thread, but not from their RYA training.  I thought about commenting but life is too short.

But I'd still challenge anyone who claims the sport is in decline to provide some hard evidence.
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Originally posted by sargesail

There is a small minority in the sailing world, who are a vocal minority here but drip enough BS to sound like a majority, who are just anti RYA.

I have kids who are loving their squad work.  I recognise some of the coach behaviours criticised earlier in this thread, but not from their RYA training.  I thought about commenting but life is too short.

But I'd still challenge anyone who claims the sport is in decline to provide some hard evidence.

The criticism of the RYA system is probably aimed more at the Kids/Juinior Squad system. I can understand some of the points that are being raised, they way the kids are taken away from the clubs to "squad centres" in high numbers and there does seem allot of churn (once out of the squad system do the kids come back to the club and resume sailing ??? not sure what the truth is, they also seem to be taught a very aggressive style of sailing too). I did my dinghy 1 & 2 after I had already been crewing for 2 years in Ents (I had already crossed the Atlantic twice under sail too, I needed the Certificate to be able to helm club boats). I did it at a big sailing centre, in North Wales. There was three of us on the course myself, and a father and son. It was end of November, there was snow, it was cold. The instructor was quite young and though probably more offshore orientated was OK, but seemed to lack the dinghy specific knowledge of sailing dinghy's (there are a few differences to sailing a boat that doesn't have a lump of lead attached to the bottom). 

Anyway......

Maybe because I had already done a fair bit of sailing, and had a grasp of the theory I felt that it wasn't really done that well, could have possibly done it better (eg more just sailing and getting a feel for it)

  
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Originally posted by sargesail

There is a small minority in the sailing world, who are a vocal minority here but drip enough BS to sound like a majority, who are just anti RYA.
I have kids who are loving their squad work.  I recognise some of the coach behaviours criticised earlier in this thread, but not from their RYA training.  I thought about commenting but life is too short.
But I'd still challenge anyone who claims the sport is in decline to provide some hard evidence.


*applauds wildly*

What I see at my club is no drop in the numbers sailing and racing (and we've seen an increase in adults and kids participating on courses at our sister organisation), but a drop off in membership renewals, ie those people that continue their membership year after year without sailing much, if at all.

Looks like a bit of belt-tightening to me, which is perfectly natural in the current climate. I'll not go in depth on the youth side right now, but whilst I think the RYA (through their Squad Coaches)could do more to help retain within the sport those that don't make the next squad, perhaps clubs could be more proactive in this as well.

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Times article today (p9) suggesting significant fall off in numbers of young people feeling the need to get a licence to drive or own a car.   "It is possible that the changes in young people's travelling behaviour described are the first phase of a societal change that will continue through generations.."  If that means people will increasingly look for activities that do not need a car, that would be a cause for concern.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 10:54am
They probably only feel there is no need for a car if they live in a big town or city with good infrastructure meaning they don't have to pay 10 times the value of the car in insurance premiums. I would imagine those premiums are the single biggest turn off from owning a car rather than directly from a society driven change. Society is changing because of it. It will though have a knock on to any activity that is not local
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As for the rya training, nearly all adults that come to our club wasn't official training. The days of just getting something and jumping in it and finding out for yourself are gone it would seem.
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It seems lots of traditional sports activities are allegedly in decline, Golf clubs casting about for members where once there were waiting lists Tennis Clubs, Squash clubs all the activities our generation grew up with seem to be struggling as latter day snowflakes look elsewhere for their bite sized instant gratification.
Dinghy sailing in my world and sphere of influence hasn't declined but then the sports we moved from has (windsurfing), the world is fluid, so the watch word is continue promotion of the activity you love and endeavour to enthuse others. Which is why some of us are so passionate about overcoming those negative elements that reduce the pleasure of the activity not only for ourselves but those that would join us.

We may be doing ok in the couple of small clubs I belong to, but the loss of Bewl casts a long shadow in our area, that was a big club to just disappear and not enough was done to fight for it in my view. We have lost the RYA many of us knew of old, the avuncular bunch of volunteer committee enthusiasts, the Jenny Currys, the Edmund Whelands that would rush to our aid are gone and replaced with a PC corporation more akin to a quasi Government department bent on burying us with bureaucracy, replacing us with 'professional' schools to provide jobs for the output from their commercial school 'graduate' programmes, than assisting amateurs promote their sport via their local club.

All we can do is keep on carrying on and hope the next generation do pick up the reigns even if in doing so they do things differently and fill the beach with bikes and SUPS as they have done at our place, but better that than the place closed, ripped down and another block of luxury flats going up to fill the local councils coffers.
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