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    Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 10:01am
Originally posted by sargesail

There is a small minority in the sailing world, who are a vocal minority here but drip enough BS to sound like a majority, who are just anti RYA.
I have kids who are loving their squad work.  I recognise some of the coach behaviours criticised earlier in this thread, but not from their RYA training.  I thought about commenting but life is too short.
But I'd still challenge anyone who claims the sport is in decline to provide some hard evidence.


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What I see at my club is no drop in the numbers sailing and racing (and we've seen an increase in adults and kids participating on courses at our sister organisation), but a drop off in membership renewals, ie those people that continue their membership year after year without sailing much, if at all.

Looks like a bit of belt-tightening to me, which is perfectly natural in the current climate. I'll not go in depth on the youth side right now, but whilst I think the RYA (through their Squad Coaches)could do more to help retain within the sport those that don't make the next squad, perhaps clubs could be more proactive in this as well.

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Originally posted by sargesail

There is a small minority in the sailing world, who are a vocal minority here but drip enough BS to sound like a majority, who are just anti RYA.

I have kids who are loving their squad work.  I recognise some of the coach behaviours criticised earlier in this thread, but not from their RYA training.  I thought about commenting but life is too short.

But I'd still challenge anyone who claims the sport is in decline to provide some hard evidence.

The criticism of the RYA system is probably aimed more at the Kids/Juinior Squad system. I can understand some of the points that are being raised, they way the kids are taken away from the clubs to "squad centres" in high numbers and there does seem allot of churn (once out of the squad system do the kids come back to the club and resume sailing ??? not sure what the truth is, they also seem to be taught a very aggressive style of sailing too). I did my dinghy 1 & 2 after I had already been crewing for 2 years in Ents (I had already crossed the Atlantic twice under sail too, I needed the Certificate to be able to helm club boats). I did it at a big sailing centre, in North Wales. There was three of us on the course myself, and a father and son. It was end of November, there was snow, it was cold. The instructor was quite young and though probably more offshore orientated was OK, but seemed to lack the dinghy specific knowledge of sailing dinghy's (there are a few differences to sailing a boat that doesn't have a lump of lead attached to the bottom). 

Anyway......

Maybe because I had already done a fair bit of sailing, and had a grasp of the theory I felt that it wasn't really done that well, could have possibly done it better (eg more just sailing and getting a feel for it)

  
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There is a small minority in the sailing world, who are a vocal minority here but drip enough BS to sound like a majority, who are just anti RYA.

I have kids who are loving their squad work.  I recognise some of the coach behaviours criticised earlier in this thread, but not from their RYA training.  I thought about commenting but life is too short.

But I'd still challenge anyone who claims the sport is in decline to provide some hard evidence.
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Not exactly sure what you think is wrong with RYA approach ? 
What would you do instead ?
I have actually done RYA level 1& 2, people who are slating RYA approach, have you actually done courses yourselves ?
I enjoyed course, centre where I did my course actively encouraged people to join a sailing club and to take up racing, I was given a list of clubs and contact details for best person to talk to.
I can't see how centre where I did my course could improve ?
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Originally posted by iGRF

I was being pointedly obtuse

You've never done that before  LOL
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Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

No, I don't think we get the boats we need, we get boats other people foist upon us, look again at those poor buggers being forced into GPf**king14s at Frensham..

So a Musto Skiff is not the boat to learn in, but neither is the opposite, something stable that you sit in (with an instructor), not stand outside? This from someone who thinks an RS200 is difficult to sail!
Who learns to drive in a Porsche 911? People learn in Corsas and Micras and the like. Terrible cars.
Nevertheless, I am not a fan of the RYA method; I have a theory that if sex-instruction was based exclusively on RYA methodology the human race would disappear in 2 generations.
Well as you must suspect I was being pointedly obtuse, but I think we're broadly in agreement that selling the 'sizzle' should be part of the 'sausage' experience. And most certainly the RYA are doing it wrong.
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The problem with clubs approaching centres is that centres are often 'for profit' organisations so it's not to their benefit to encourage their customers to go elsewhere.
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Originally posted by fab100

I have a theory that if sex-instruction was based exclusively on RYA methodology the human race would disappear in 2 generations.



Given how incestuous Team GB are alleged to be, you could well be right mate!
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I did RYA level 1& 2 at a local authority activity centre, zip lines, high wire 5 a side football etc
You can sail there every saturday during the season, using their boats or take your own, they will also put on racing, sailability centre too.
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