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    Posted: 23 Jan 18 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by iGRF

No, I don't think we get the boats we need, we get boats other people foist upon us, look again at those poor buggers being forced into GPf**king14s at Frensham..

So a Musto Skiff is not the boat to learn in, but neither is the opposite, something stable that you sit in (with an instructor), not stand outside? This from someone who thinks an RS200 is difficult to sail!

Who learns to drive in a Porsche 911? People learn in Corsas and Micras and the like. Terrible cars.

Nevertheless, I am not a fan of the RYA method; I have a theory that if sex-instruction was based exclusively on RYA methodology the human race would disappear in 2 generations.
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Originally posted by NickM99

According to the RYA they are seeing more interest in people learning to sail than they have for some years.  But many of said people are choosing to learn at activities centres.  It would be interesting to know why.   
I can understand that somebody who fancies trying something active might go to his local centre and do a bit of wall climbing, SUP, canoeing or whatever and then get interested in sailing.  Without a friend who knows about sailing it is unlikely they will think of joining a club.  The RYA is suggesting Clubs try and target their local activity centres as recruitment grounds for those who have got the bug.


Good point - the flip side of this is why don’t a few people start racing at the activity centre.

Do we really need independent ‘clubs’?
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Originally posted by iGRF

I don't get this reluctance to compete..

You won't get far turning up for Tennis Lessons, or Squash, or Golf, we should be less about Swallows and Amazons and more about sailing the sport, and our approach should be so geared.

Come on, how difficult is it? There that's the sail thing, there you wiggle that thing at the back to point it, and there see that buoy over there you've got to sail round it and get back here, 1st one back buys the teas, off you go.. (Day One).

A rare moment of agreement with GRF!  We have had lots of success running beginner courses aimed at a Beginner Regatta at the end of a 5 day period.

I'd also observe that as soon as kids and most adults can vaguely control a boat then they tend to start competing.

So why not start to race from Day 2 (but brief it in on Day 1!).  That way novice sailors are already racing when they complete a course.  No block to overcome....
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According to the RYA they are seeing more interest in people learning to sail than they have for some years.  But many of said people are choosing to learn at activities centres.  It would be interesting to know why.   

I can understand that somebody who fancies trying something active might go to his local centre and do a bit of wall climbing, SUP, canoeing or whatever and then get interested in sailing.  Without a friend who knows about sailing it is unlikely they will think of joining a club.  The RYA is suggesting Clubs try and target their local activity centres as recruitment grounds for those who have got the bug.
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No, I don't think we get the boats we need, we get boats other people foist upon us, look again at those poor buggers being forced into GPf**king14s at Frensham..
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Originally posted by 423zero

No disrespect to tennis, the sport or players, but it's easier to play tennis than sail a boat, especially in the cauldron of a busy start.
I enjoyed RYA level 1 & 2, perhaps other instructors are more regimented than the ones I had.
Tennis may be easier to play, but I would venture it is harder to win. It's also much cheaper to get into, but quite common to spend a fortune on coaching.
I don't think the design of boats is to blame for any perceived decline in participation. We have a free market, if a builder spots a gap that will be popular they would be silly to ignore it - so we get the boats we want.
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My inland club has the option of a delayed start for novices (tie a streamer on the end of the boom and hang back for a second start gun at +1min, times are corrected in the results). My holiday club sails simple triangle courses and runs beach starts (for two reasons, we have a large proportion of inexperienced racers and it means the starts can be run from the beach by non-sailors).
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No disrespect to tennis, the sport or players, but it's easier to play tennis than sail a boat, especially in the cauldron of a busy start.
I enjoyed RYA level 1 & 2, perhaps other instructors are more regimented than the ones I had.
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What I can say for certain is that the average club tennis player plays to a much higher standard than the average club sailor sails to. Most club sailors have had barely any coaching in their life, partly because it is time consuming, boring, expensive and difficult to communicate. Most club tennis players get many hours of coaching every week.
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Originally posted by iGRF

I don't get this reluctance to compete..

You won't get far turning up for Tennis Lessons, or Squash, or Golf, we should be less about Swallows and Amazons and more about sailing the sport, and our approach should be so geared.

Come on, how difficult is it? There that's the sail thing, there you wiggle that thing at the back to point it, and there see that buoy over there you've got to sail round it and get back here, 1st one back buys the teas, off you go.. (Day One).

I guess the difference is that when you learn most sports you get to compete with people of the same standard. So in your example when you learn tennis you start off playing against other people who are learning so you both spend ages missing the ball and getting them out. Its easy to not feel that you are spoiling someone else's fun. With sailing you are trying to sail the boat and also on a course with lots of others, many of whom are taking it all seriously and shout at you if you get in their way plus there is a whole set of weird rules.

We did find at our club that when we were intentional about putting on races where beginners would be welcome that it had a huge impact on the number of people that graduated from learning to sail to being active members of the club.
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