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    Posted: 23 Jan 18 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

And the whole RYA levels thing is geared towards sailing around a course........

Is it? I've no idea, when we set up the levels thing for windsurfing we tried to keep it triangle and about going round a course, then they buggered about and launched some new thing 'fast forward' without centreboards without racing and windsurfing stopped growing almost from that moment. That and the big school owners being used as inspectors to close all the small ones.

The RYA tend to set their 'modules' up in as time consuming and boring method possible, since their interest is in selling instructor time and 'the experience' rather than swelling the ranks of active sailors or conversion.

I've long held the belief, better to sell the product and build the course of lessons on how to use it as a far better method of getting converted sailors and boat users.

We have exactly the same issues these days with kitesurfing, which is now beyond the novelty surge and we now have centres that just churn the interest with no motivation to convert the numbers into actual kitesurfers.

We're not impeded by the RYA (for very good reason), but we have a similar body,(but even more corrupt) that facilitates schools and can undermine the shop/shool scenario that kicked the sport off. So the battle goes on between those that would purvey the hardware and those that impart the skill, but, we're nowhere near as separated as the dinghy world, it still happens that those that teach you also sell you the means with which to carry out the activity and that my friends is what essentially is missing from dinghydom
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And the whole RYA levels thing is geared towards sailing around a course........
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I don't get this reluctance to compete..

You won't get far turning up for Tennis Lessons, or Squash, or Golf, we should be less about Swallows and Amazons and more about sailing the sport, and our approach should be so geared.

Come on, how difficult is it? There that's the sail thing, there you wiggle that thing at the back to point it, and there see that buoy over there you've got to sail round it and get back here, 1st one back buys the teas, off you go.. (Day One).
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Originally posted by 423zero

My boats fit my "comfort zone" Minisprint hardest to sail, would have a go at foiling though, but nowhere close enough to use on a regular basis, so won't be buying one.

Oh sure I will try one out on my summer holidays and blast around in it, but I would rather chew my leg off then race one each week. Its like those jet skis, great fun for a blast but once you have done it for a bit its just a noisyt**t-bike
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My boats fit my "comfort zone" Minisprint hardest to sail, would have a go at foiling though, but nowhere close enough to use on a regular basis, so won't be buying one.
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I agree that there are lots of people sailing fast dinghy's - I am one of them - but things like the 49er and other twin trap skiffs have become the reserve of a small band of very skilled and very committed people. I suspect the same will be true of foiling and I am happy for them to go do their stuff but the majority will be happily sailing around in boats that are less extreme if still fun to sail.
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I'd just love to see someone try foiling on our little inner-city puddle :)
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Originally posted by H2

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Someone in this post made the point that there is a move toward mid-speed, mid-difficulty boats which is certainly something I have seen over the years. Huge effort to get skiff type boats out there which most of us tried and secretly hated to sail - suspect the same will be try of foils...fun on holiday for a blast but not something you want to do each weekend for the next five years!
I think foiling is going to have very limited impact for most UK clubs. I don't see it delivering great racing for most amateurs.
'Skiff type boats' however you define that, there are a lot of people sailing fast dinghies. When I were a lad, fireballs were regarded as very fast, enterprises were the standard adult boat.
A lot of adults were racing things slower than ents. Sometimes even racing Mirrors. Maybe our standards of 'fast' have changed.
I think there is a drift back towards tactical fleet racing in some quarters. Boat vs boat, person vs person at close quarters around the course, in Lasers, Solos, Merlins or whatever.
Much as many of us drifted back to dinghies after boards lost their attraction.
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Originally posted by 423zero

I have yet to see a 2nd day beginner who could race, putting them under a lot of pressure throwing them into a race.
My club gets beginners out in the races, watch what experienced racers do at a particular mark and try themselves, when they are happy move to another mark.
Boats, Bahia's and Topaz's for training, other boats, Enterprise, GP14 etc.

I agree that racing is very scary to many beginners and I think as a sport we lose lots of people that are interested but after doing their level 1&2 or a week in the Med they cannot find a way into the sport. Our club ran "Super Saturdays" for beginners last year - it was free to come along and either get into a boat with an experienced sailor or take a club boat out and cruise around with close rescue boat supervision. Lots of people who used it commented that it was a great way to build skills and confidence but one piece of feedback was that they were nervous about the next leap into club racing and worried about getting in the way. So we encouraged them into pursuit races that were laid on specifically to encourage people - serious racers had fun and laughed alot and it was great fun for all. Could not do it each weekend but once or twice a season seemed to make a huge difference in how many went on to buy a boat and go racing or become a crew for someone needing one!
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From my own club I don't think it's terminal. We get a decent number of boats out each weekend, even in weather like this, but since I've been a member I have seen very few new people join, while the existing members are not getting any younger. We have a good number of juniors, but once they finish school they're off to uni somewhere else, and don't seem to be coming back.

We are training about 20 beginners per year, but we're lucky if one or two of them stick around after the training course. So long-term I can foresee a problem...
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