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    Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 4:30pm
Fair comment, I guess SMOD classes range from those with an active CA and involved designer (who are closer to an old style 'one design' class like the Firefly) at one end of the spectrum to those entirely controlled by the builder at the other. It is the latter type to whom I was referring above.
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Is it true the composite top section is 600g lighter than the ally?
If so, how is that fair competition.
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Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 7:58pm
I read this a lot about Laser sails not lasting, the ones at my club seem to last more than a couple of months, mind only two out of a dozen have XD controls, but they still seem ok after a couple of seasons, is it circuit racing ?
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I think the general consensus is that they lose there edge after a couple of hard regattas. For the average club sailor the 2% difference between a box fresh sail and one that has had a few weeks use is pretty irrelevant, miss one shift and you've dropped more than that, but for the top guys who are all within a couple of percent of each other a new boat every year and a new sale every regatta makes the difference between winning and losing (in their mind at least).
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^^What he said^^ 

 but how many are using genuine sails?

(I must add I don't actually have a massive problem with people using non-class sails in club racing provided the club authorise it and its handicap racing)
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Presumably a conspiracy theorist would consider it to be a rumour started by Laser Performance in order to shift lots more sails...
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I understand many of the cheaper capsule coffee machines are sold at a very tight margin, hook the punters in and make mega margin on the capsules.

The Laser model seems similar!
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Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 9:44pm
I haven't noticed any copies, only one I know for certain is the rooster sail, but only used once owner didn't like it.
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as effective and 75% cheaper would convince me
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

I understand many of the cheaper capsule coffee machines are sold at a very tight margin, hook the punters in and make mega margin on the capsules.

The Laser model seems similar!

Or printers ... where the manufacturers chip the cartridges and suggest your warranty will be invalidated by using non-OEM products.
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