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    Posted: 13 Oct 17 at 9:17am
A few years ago the Lightning C A tried unsuccessfully to get a ride for the former boy but it did not happen. Perhaps there should be a single handed version in say, Aero just for single handed champions. Looking at the Endevour entry there are some awesome names from the world of two handed boats.
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To be fair, the lightning has like 20-30 entries to the nationals and when the event was restricted to supplied boats you can see why it wouldn't make the cut; it would have meant excluding classes which have better attended open meetings. You can't really complain about that. 

I wonder if RS have put a restriction on how many sails they will provide? I am under the impression if you have won a nationals, and can get a 200, you can go.  

A single handed version would be good; but weight becomes more of an issue. With a double hander most can find an appropriate sized crew to be competitive. There are plenty of Feva crews who have exactly the skill set needed and would allow even 100kg+ helms to compete. 

Plus, there have been plenty of 'single handed' winners, so I don't think coming from a single hander is as much of a disadvantage as you may imagine. 

I think the solo is a big loss. Moth would have been cool as it's a high profile class with an Olympian as it's winner. But more so than any other year I think it's a pretty complete field. 






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Originally posted by NickM99

Absent Champions? Hmm.

I've known at least two sailors who did it once and vowed never again. After all its three days away from your family in a boat you may well not like sailing, in company with people you perhaps don't know, and at a venue that is not everyone's cup of tea. Its not hard to imagine people thinking that a weekend pass is better spent on a class event.
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Originally posted by mozzy


To be fair, the lightning has like 20-30 entries to the nationals and when the event was restricted to supplied boats you can see why it wouldn't make the cut; it would have meant excluding classes which have better attended open meetings. You can't really complain about that. 
I wonder if RS have put a restriction on how many sails they will provide? I am under the impression if you have won a nationals, and can get a 200, you can go.  
A single handed version would be good; but weight becomes more of an issue. With a double hander most can find an appropriate sized crew to be competitive. There are plenty of Feva crews who have exactly the skill set needed and would allow even 100kg+ helms to compete. 
Plus, there have been plenty of 'single handed' winners, so I don't think coming from a single hander is as much of a disadvantage as you may imagine. 
I think the solo is a big loss. Moth would have been cool as it's a high profile class with an Olympian as it's winner. But more so than any other year I think it's a pretty complete field. 

     Was I complaining? Mind you how many 18's were at its nationals?
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Originally posted by mozzy

 

Plus, there have been plenty of 'single handed' winners, so I don't think coming from a single hander is as much of a disadvantage as you may imagine. 


Actually, I think it is a huge disadvantage. Really, the only winners from singlehanded classes have been Nick Craig, Jim Hunt and Geoff Carveth who, not coincidentally in my opinion, also had plenty of experience in two-person classes too.


I take Jim's point about the venue - it's not the most inspiring - muddy, tidal river sailing. Also the format which may require up to 8 hours on the water, on the Saturday at least with 5 back-to-back races. Having said that, RCYC put in a huge amount of effort to put the event on, including free accommodation for all competitors so should be commended for that.
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5 Races back to back? WTF Medieval torture took less time.

What is wrong with this sport, is everybody organsing it mental?
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8 hours on the water is going to separate the prepared from the less-so I guess they are allowed to stow stuff in rescue boats to keep themselves going and maybe jackets to stick on if there are protracted waiting periods?
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Isnt the Southampton boat show battle of the classes meant to be the top 2 of each class racing.
On PY exactly what people have been asking for on hear, only it doesn't seem to get the support from the associations to provide the Champs?
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i did BOTC a couple of years ago and although fun the venue is far worse than even the crouch and i wouldn't be inclined to go again.

I like the idea of it tacked onto the show but the show part of it kind of kills it for me too.

guess there are all sorts of reasons not to attend, what we should be asking of any event like this is what are the reasons to participate?  class prestige? bragging rights? the choccies?.....
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I was at BOTC this year. Very little wind and a rather boring course which suited symmetric boats. "He" got a 4th so not bad. Free boat show tickets so that was good. At the cheapo end (up to half a mill) ice cream £1.00, at the expensive end (up to five mill) £2.00.
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