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Poll Question: Who will win the 2017 endeavour
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    Posted: 12 Oct 17 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by Oinks

Just voted Other...if its going light then Graham Camm & Zoe Ballantyne (N12)

They're super light though. They've won the Bloody Mary a few times in the 12 too.


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Originally posted by mozzy

No larks, no GP14s, no Musto, no Moth; shame. 

No Blaze, D-Zero, Solo, Aero or OK either......
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Solos are the most disappointing for me. Biggest single handed adult class I would have liked to see them there.  

GP14 is still very popular (3rd highest 2 man adult boat attendance wise) as well as historically being a dominant class at this event. I rate the winner too. 

Larks are a traditional top class, like the Ent so it's nice to see them there even if they don't quite have the turnouts nowadays.

Aero is steve cockerill, but i guess maybe the other rigs could have been represented. 

I wouldn't naturally put D-Zero, OK or blaze on the list of 'top' classes. D-Zero is relatively new and not huge turnouts. OK; obviously they've had success at the event with Nick. Blaze seems to have good turnouts but I'm not familiar with the exploits of the top sailors. I'd put the phantom ahead of these.

I think with no boat provided there wasn't a limit this year, so you just had to borrow a 200. 
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Absent Champions? Hmm. If you are top jockey for another sail loft and just won a class nationals, do you want to be seen sailing around in a class not supported by your loft and with Hyde Sails
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GP14 and Solo are both Jack Holt designs, therefore perhaps close to the origins of the Endeavour.
But they have 30 boats from a fair spread of classes whoever wins it will have beaten some quality sailors.

Clearly I'm never going to get invited, but I did once do the Draycote classes-by-invite event (Silver Salver?) in a comfortably obscure class. There is space for something like that in the calendar surely?

Maybe there's a space for a singlehander version too?
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No Blaze,



Blaze national champion was invited, but he couldn't make it, the place was offered to the runner up, but he couldn't attend, so the person who came third offered to attend in their place but the organisers turned him down!! LOL LOL

I happen to know the National champ and the person who came third so the above was the subject of much p!sstake LOL
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by mozzy

No larks, no GP14s, no Musto, no Moth; shame. 

No Blaze, D-Zero, Solo, Aero or OK either......


Hardly fair to expect your 'invited' sailors to pay the entry fee (which is fairly steep). When CA funds can't stretch without affecting other things the class wants to do (for a small, self funded) CA like the D-Zero is.
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Maybe we should run an alternative for all those small classes who get less than 20 boats to a Nationals. Sailed in your own boat on a small puddle in the Midlands, entry fee a tenner, chilli and beer for lunch thrown in. Just need a suitable sponsor in the form of a local brewery.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 17 at 8:27am
Originally posted by Gfinch

Originally posted by Oinks

Just voted Other...if its going light then Graham Camm & Zoe Ballantyne (N12)

They're super light though. They've won the Bloody Mary a few times in the 12 too.

17.5 stone apparently. Leading after the first day in 2010. Didn't fair so well on the second when it picked up to 25 knots and they had to reef. 

They've not done the event since it's gone to 200s. 

There's a weird wind range where it flicks from paying to be heavier, to light, to heavy again through 10-16 knot as boats start to plane downwind. If it's wind against tide it is exaggerated and they could be looking very good. But, and it's a big but. These are the most '200' specific conditions and technique counts for a lot. 

Gilbert was a well known master of these conditions, despite being heavier.  
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Originally posted by NickM99

Absent Champions? Hmm. If you are top jockey for another sail loft and just won a class nationals, do you want to be seen sailing around in a class not supported by your loft and with Hyde Sails
I'm not that sceptical. After talking to a few sail makers at the event they were all really positive about it. How many of the no shows are sail makers anyway? 

I think sailing a SMOD class makes it easier for a sail maker to attend, as it's clear to all they are only using the sails through force majeure.; and of course they can sl*g the sails off post event to their heart content. However, if it's held in a class which they could make sails for (but don't necessarily do), then using another makers sails would be seen as an endorsement. It would put a few in a tricky situation of knocking up their own sails at short notice without the development time they would like.  

Having an Endeavour winning helm making your sails is a pretty marketable point as well! 

Originally posted by Phil_1193

Blaze national champion was invited, but he couldn't make it, the place was offered to the runner up, but he couldn't attend, so the person who came third offered to attend in their place but the organisers turned him down!! LOLLOL

I like the idea that all the competing helms are 'champions'. I'd rather see the slot passed to the crew if the helm is unavailable or representing another class. 

I'd rather it didn't pass to 2nd or 3rd place helms as it looses the 'champions of champions' feel.

Obviously it's RCYC's event so they can invite whoever they choose! 


Edited by mozzy - 13 Oct 17 at 8:49am
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