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    Posted: 11 Oct 17 at 2:39pm
Ask yourself, is the difference in average competitor skill for each class wider than the difference in skill for the top sailors for each class. Bare in mind the top sailors are often out layers and many dominate their own class, and it's not unknown for individuals to dominate the Endeavour. 

It's also the USP of the event that it gets everyone together in one class. 


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Yeah.. a handicap race with the national champion from each class at a nice venue.. I'd prob pay to watch that too.
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Originally posted by mozzy


Ask yourself, is the difference in average competitor skill for each class wider than the difference in skill for the top sailors for each class. Bare in mind the top sailors are often out layers and many dominate their own class, and it's not unknown for individuals to dominate the Endeavour. 
It's also the USP of the event that it gets everyone together in one class. 



In theory not, in terms of actual sailing skills required to win, i.e. good boat handling coupled to sailing tactical skil.

As for the USP, that would be fine if it were a class that advantaged nobody in particular.

I'd love to see them all in a fleet of Alto's, the boat is big enough not to advantage light crews over heavy, yet easy enough for them to still get the best out of it in strong weather it is also tactical but not too technical, shame it could never happen.
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How come the Merlin champion crew is helming?
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The Draycote 'Silver thingame' of old,  now no longer run as far as I know, was an invitation event to I think the FOUR boats in each class selected by the CA's and usually the top ones if available.   A handicap event and a lot of fun.  OK OK the purists will not like it ...but they never did anyway..... but as ever they were always able to decline the invitation. Few did ... Wink

Now just maybe this is one, or something very similar, for Sailjuice to revive with its growing momentumn ?



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Yeah shame GRF, it would be nice if the class could vary and be kept secret until the day so no one could 'train'. Better still if it were a boat no-one had specific expertise in, but was ubiquitous enough that that everyone would be comfortable applying there skill to it.  

The Xenon was perfect in that regard, however, you could say those who did the event before started to get a considerable advantage. And it's not like there were many laying around a new competitor could get their hands on to practice in to level the playing field (you did get a day practice on Friday). 

Getting 30 identical boats to the crouch is a financial and logistical hurdle though and I think the Royal Corinthian do a pretty good job.  

The 200 will favour 200 sailors. But, it's a pretty bog standard racing boat in terms of technique. It's also common enough that most people either have experience of it, or can get their hands on one to practice; so that levels the playing field.  


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Originally posted by 2547

How come the Merlin champion crew is helming?

Originally posted by mozzy

Both classes usually claim the glory! But technically the competitor only represent one class (which you can see on the entry list).

Some helms have deferred representing their class to their crew. 
Christian Birrell is representing the 470 presumably because Johny can't attend. 
Alan Roberts is representing the Merlin as Nick is representing the D-One. 
Anna Carpenter is representing the Ladies 470 as her helm, Amy Seabright, is representing the 200. 

Steve Cockerill has chosen to represent the 2000 over the Aero, but then he is sailing with his wife who he won the 2000's with. 

Interestingly, Ben Saxton, is the only entrant not to have won a nationals!
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Agreed the 200 is probably the best pragmatic choice for all the reasons given.

There is another option that would make for a cool event.

They have to swap boats each race.
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Originally posted by iGRF

That's a bit crap isn't it?

Making them use RS200's, what happened to all the plastic Xenon things or whatever they were, it's bound to be loaded in favour of anyone who has managed to master that rock n rolla coaster.

Not really in the spirit of finding the best helm.

They should split them up last minute and make them sail boards then we'd see who was who.

Because when I did it in one of those Xenon's not only was it like sailing around in a jelly mould that delivered next to no feed back, bits failed quite a bit. Crews actually busted poles just by gybing. Plus the smaller crews were defiantly disadvantaged.

I'd say the RS200 is about bang on for a fair competition. (Well as fair as you can be).
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A definite disadvantage to proper size people. Andy Couch would struggle to fit in a 200 and he is light at the moment.
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