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    Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 9:38pm
I'm not so sure, I had a pink and white Tush 6m from the same year which did go floppy, I think those particular SRS 6s were optimised for Div 1 and max power in lighter winds as were the Demon Design and Batwing. I bought mine of John T who was an active Div 1 racer at the time. There was no way they would blade out like the other, more fun board oriented 6m as they had so much fullness in the head. A few years later my 7.5m Demon VG5 Raceboard would do so if you put a super stiff top batten and down hauled the f*!k out of it.
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I susepct that they were their first attempt at a floppy leach sail. Roger said that you had to set them differntly with no outhaul and loads of downhaul. We really had no clue what he was talking about at the time, as up to then we all set sails with loads of outhaul and no downhaul. So we were possibly to blame to some extent for the sails being so difficult as we had no idea how to set them up.
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Faster than anything else in the light though (well, except the Batwing and Demon which had the same issues when it picked up). I just had another 6m Tush for F4+

The problem/advantage with the SRS was the head was very full in the days when flat heads and floppy leeches were the "new-big-thing" in windsurfing sails. That gave it loads of power but little or no de-powerability as it wouldn't 'blade out'. It won me a fair number of races though  Smile


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Yes what was it about those 6.0m SRS sails from Tush -they were impossible above 18 knots never understood what was going on there.
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Just watched that whole thing, good to note some of the bits I've taught myself are correct, not sure about all that happy sail sad sail stuff, but he's certainly spot on about the rudder thing working the way he describes sometimes against what you think it's going to do and the induced nose dives.
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That'll be how they get away with it, they perform an un-seamanlike manoeuvre and then throw themselves across the boat to save the capsize  Wink
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


https://www.roostersailing.com/blog/boat-whisperer-talks-2/
He bears away while throwing himself across the boat.........


You have to do that anyway, it's a right balancing act and the bloody boat rocks and rolls all on its own, especially a round bottom beast like the EPS, then the wind shifts, you miss it and the Contender you're trying to stay ahead off starts overhauling you and you have to rapidly re position and sheet it... Nightmare
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

'torquing' (WTF that is) must make the boat go faster or they wouldn't bother doing it

42.1 Basic Rule

Except when permitted in rule 42.3 or 45, a boat shall compete by using only the wind and water to increase, maintain or decrease her speed. Her crew may adjust the trim of sails and hull, and perform other acts of seamanship, but shall not otherwise move their bodies to propel the boat. 


I think the on the water juries you get at laser events, who are themselves usually IJ's or NJ's, probably have a good idea of what is and isn't allowed within the rules.  The SI's usually make this completely rock solid as there is no right to redress/protest an on the water R42 call, so if a juror thinks it's legal, it's legal, and if they think it's not legal, it's not legal.

So perhaps the people you think are cheating are actually just doing it right...?

P.S Torquing is adjusting the trim (the pitch, actually) of the hull forcefully as it goes over the crest of a wave so that it stays in smooth contact with the water rather than slamming and allows the boat to shoot down the back of the wave rather than just stopping.  It's clearly within the definition you've posted.


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https://www.roostersailing.com/blog/boat-whisperer-talks-2/

He bears away while throwing himself across the boat.........


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4th Dimension is just sailing by the lee really, but to me Steve's main innovation was to bear off when the boat rolled to windward to bring it upright again instead of sharply heading up to windward and letting centrifugal forces bring you upright again.
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