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    Posted: 05 Sep 17 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

I have a Laser, I am not a member of the Laser CA. I have zero desire to attend a Laser Nationals.
If I felt the urge to travel to any singlehander events, I'd probably be looking at something other than the Laser class.

Same here. We got a Laser so that our kids could sail on their own (different rig options) and that I could sail if I couldn't find a crew for my double hander.

I travel to regional Open meetings with my Ent, but not the Laser. 
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Originally posted by Peter Barton

Originally posted by By The Lee

Originally posted by iiiiticki

Was it 110 boats for the Aero Nationals? Obviously just a flash in the pan. Order will be restored soon.

Even Lasers had more than that and thats with a lot of the fleet at international events! Plus it the aeros was dominated by laser sailors. 1st in the 7 fleet was a P3 full rig sailor, 2nd was a radial youth squady!

What a bizarre statement! Comparing a 47 year old class with nearly half a century of production to a 3 year old one. Well done to the Lasers anyway.

It was great having Sam & Ben Whaley join the RS Aero Nationals. Their expertise added to both the racing and the pre Nationals coaching which they provided. There were quite a few charterers and borrowers, several of them Laser sailors and several more who would not sail Lasers. I think you do Ben a disservice in describing him as ‘youth squadie’. Poetic licence maybe, but not really accurate. He is of course the recent Radial National Champion and extremely competent.

It was hugely rewarding to achieve over 50% more than last year and smash the big 100 which the RS Aero Class so nearly reached at the Worlds in France in July. Achieving those numbers at Hayling just 5 weeks later makes the Nationals turnout that much more noteworthy again.

Particularly pleasing was the significant increase in both Youth and Ladies entries. With 25 Youth (U19) and 22 Ladies both were approximately double what we had last year! Our youngest sailor was 12yrs who coped admirably and on the windy days came home under his own steam once he had had enough. 

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/198278/RS-Aero-UK-Nationals-overall

  


Apologies if my post came over in the wrong tone... my point was that at this moment I feel the laser has the better fleet however I wouldn't be surprised if this was to change in the not to distant future as RS seem to be setting an example of how to do things right opposed to LP
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Originally posted by RS400atC



The point of sailing a Laser outside of the CA and their events is that we don't need to travel to get pretty reasonable class racing at our level. 
It seems that this is a very good point. In classes that get good fleets at club level, fewer people need to do national titles; they can find enough competition locally. At my old club none of the 30 active Lasers did the nationals regularly, although a few did the Masters nationals. It was the same in the biggest double-handed class in the country.

In contrast, in the tiny class I was sailing in around the same time, people would drag boats they had not raced for the whole year out of the shed to do the nationals, because it was the only time they could get a fleet to race against. It's also easier for organisers to contact a larger proportion of the fleet and excite them or make them feel guilty.

It would be an interesting area to get some stats on.
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So is the Aero one class or 3?

Seems they are 3 classes except when RS are writing headlines ...

Is that about it?
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So is the Aero one class or 3?

Seems they are 3 classes except when RS are writing headlines ...

Is that about it?

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As far as local round the cans racing it is treated as 3 classes (certainly at my club where the solitary guy swaps rigs regularly). 3 different sized sails 3 different PY numbers. Same as the Laser, Laser Radial and Laser 4.7.

They can, of course, race boat on boat with whatever sized sail they like in class racing but, unless conditions dictated otherwise, the front spots would usually be filled with the biggest sail.
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Is the Aero in some way different to the Laser then?

Laser has different rigs.

I reckon I'm probably the only one here who didn't own or sail a Laser at one time or other, not that I haven't tried them, they are the single most boring experience one can have sailing imv, but they do serve a purpose in giving cheap skates access to good club racing and we all know there are plenty of cheap skate dinghyists.
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AT Lee we have an Aero fleet but they race on PY amongst themselves, which for the rest of the singlehanders is a bit of a shame as we end up with two smaller fleets on results although we all start and race the same course at the same time.
To me its a bit of an odd compromise. but something we will have to discuss for next year.
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Originally posted by iGRF

...we all know there are plenty of cheap skate dinghyists.

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The issue about 'is the Aero one class or three ' is a bit daft but boringly and still regularly repeated.  The 'argument' is by now really only indicative of the attitude of those who hold it.    For that matter is the Laser one class or ...... er over all those years how many exactly ?  People should simply sail and race what they like themselves and for their own reasons.  Not all will subscribe to the justifications of others anyway.  If you like the laser (or something else) well good luck to you, most of us have probably owned one at some time or other.  But lighten up a bit there guys - others will sail other boats cos they like them just like you still like the venerable old Laser.... 

RS have done an excellent job with the Aero and comments about them employing Peter Barton or whoever is not the point surely.  If that was all that was needed to 'break through' then that is what others perhaps needed to do as well.  'Success' and building a good numbers following relies on many factors.

And no I don't have a connection with RS and don't own an Aero .... I sail something else cos I like it as well.  


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Well said Cirrus.
All this tribal point scoring is as boring as it is pointless.
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