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    Posted: 05 Sep 17 at 8:06am
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Originally posted by iiiiticki

Was it 110 boats for the Aero Nationals? Obviously just a flash in the pan. Order will be restored soon.

Even Lasers had more than that and thats with a lot of the fleet at international events!


A lot of the fleet?  I'm fascinated as to who exactly you think makes up the vast majority of the class membership...... because it certainly isn't the ones going off doing the international events.  A lot of the fleet aren't turning up, and it has absolutely nothing to do with international events being run at the same time. 

Well I'm not suggesting all these events affected attendance but:
4.7 Worlds: 41 Brits
Radial Youth Worlds : 26 brits
U21 Worlds: 17Brits
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Originally posted by By The Lee

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Originally posted by iiiiticki

Was it 110 boats for the Aero Nationals? Obviously just a flash in the pan. Order will be restored soon.

Even Lasers had more than that and thats with a lot of the fleet at international events!


A lot of the fleet?  I'm fascinated as to who exactly you think makes up the vast majority of the class membership...... because it certainly isn't the ones going off doing the international events.  A lot of the fleet aren't turning up, and it has absolutely nothing to do with international events being run at the same time. 

Well I'm not suggesting all these events affected attendance but:
4.7 Worlds: 41 Brits
Radial Youth Worlds : 26 brits
U21 Worlds: 17Brits





Yep, and reference those 26 radials and 17 fulrigs against the sheer volume of class members.  Numbers wise it's the equivalent of an entire club not turning up for club racing on a sunday and then saying numbers were low because that one sailor 'John' didn't turn up. 
Also, didn't the person who won the radial nationals also go to the youth worlds?

I'm not having a go at the laser, I'm just pointing out that proportionally compared to other classes, the laser isn't getting good turnouts and that the class assoc should be looking into that.  The laser standard nationals attendance numbers numbers should barely even notice if the top few don't turn up. 
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Doesn't Dougal's post highlight the schizophrenic nature of the Laser, I have owned a few in my time and enjoyed sailing them, but essentially the Laser is just a tool for a job, a bit like a tennis raquet, it is used by Olympians, Masters Sailors, Youths, comes in different sizes and is raced at Club, National, European, World and Olympic level.  If one were to draw a Venn diagram (something I have not done for forty years) for the different sailor groups, I suspect that you would see 15 descrete circles with little or no overlap.

My point is that reading anything into Nationals turnouts ref the health of the Laser is relatively meaningless.  

Perhaps the issue is whether the traditional Y&Y Nationals Attendence table remains the most appropriate meter for the health of a class while the demographics have changed?  

For instance Laser qualifiers have very high attendances, Laser Masters events have high attendences; perhaps the appeal is turning up, doing a lot of races and not taking time out of work or holiday time?
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Perhaps the issue is whether the traditional Y&Y Nationals Attendence table remains the most appropriate meter


Its not a question as to whether its the most appropriate metric - its just that until recently its the only one we had. We now have the number of races in the RYA table as well, but not any others I'm aware of.
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One wonders if anyone bothers to check how many individual racers there are listed on those RYA tables, it would give an idea of the health of the racing population and of course if you had to register to get your personal handicap, they'd know even more..

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It also begs the question, what's more important, the numbers of types of boats people are racing, or the numbers of individual people racing them?

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I have to risk attack by posting but perhaps Laser is the accepted single handed class for international or Olympic sailing and is as such sailed by those who aspire to stardom. If you asked those sailors if they would like to change en bloc to another class what would they reply? By the way 114 Aeros at Hayling. After how many years?
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It also begs the question, what's more important, the numbers of types of boats people are racing, or the numbers of individual people racing them?

To me the boat doesn't matter I just want to sail in the class the has the best quality of racing! The most popular single handers (Laser, Topper, Oppi) have great racing but I'm sure none of them claim there boat is the "best" if you get what i mean.

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That opens up the unanswerable question of why people sail a certain boat and not another. Some will want a local class, others will chose one with the chance of international events (either for the glory or for the friendships. Some will chose a boat that fits their physique and fitness or sailing style. Budget and aspirations will come into it too but I suspect as noted above that people and the social side of things have a huge impact for those not after world glory. Indeed with the Laser being the boat of choice for campaigning youths and those with Olympic dreams perhaps the perceived seriousness and lack of a good social at events means the ‘leisure’ (and I use that word advisedly) has less to draw them to events. Indeed I did hear at the weekend a rumour that the Finns who always seemed to mix seriousness with a party are suffering a tad from the lack of the latter, which if true is a shame as they were legendary for being an Olympic class that still had food fights!
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Many people seem to be confusing 'owning and sailing a Laser' with 'being a member of the Laser Class'.

I have a Laser, I am not a member of the Laser CA. I have zero desire to attend a Laser Nationals.
If I felt the urge to travel to any singlehander events, I'd probably be looking at something other than the Laser class.

The 'Laser class' is a much smaller pool of people than the number of boats active at class level. And as such, it's probably pretty healthy when you take into account the Masters and various regional events.

The point of sailing a Laser outside of the CA and their events is that we don't need to travel to get pretty reasonable class racing at our level. At the CA's level I dare say we'd look like a bunch of uncommitted unfit part timers whose boats are past their sell by date?  We're only doing it for fun.
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Originally posted by By The Lee

Originally posted by iiiiticki

Was it 110 boats for the Aero Nationals? Obviously just a flash in the pan. Order will be restored soon.

Even Lasers had more than that and thats with a lot of the fleet at international events! Plus it the aeros was dominated by laser sailors. 1st in the 7 fleet was a P3 full rig sailor, 2nd was a radial youth squady!

What a bizarre statement! Comparing a 47 year old class with nearly half a century of production to a 3 year old one. Well done to the Lasers anyway.

It was great having Sam & Ben Whaley join the RS Aero Nationals. Their expertise added to both the racing and the pre Nationals coaching which they provided. There were quite a few charterers and borrowers, several of them Laser sailors and several more who would not sail Lasers. I think you do Ben a disservice in describing him as ‘youth squadie’. Poetic licence maybe, but not really accurate. He is of course the recent Radial National Champion and extremely competent.

It was hugely rewarding to achieve over 50% more than last year and smash the big 100 which the RS Aero Class so nearly reached at the Worlds in France in July. Achieving those numbers at Hayling just 5 weeks later makes the Nationals turnout that much more noteworthy again.

Particularly pleasing was the significant increase in both Youth and Ladies entries. With 23 Youth (U19) and 22 Ladies both were approximately double what we had last year! Our youngest sailor was 12yrs who coped admirably and on the windy days came home under his own steam once he had had enough. 

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/198278/RS-Aero-UK-Nationals-overall

  



Edited by Peter Barton - 05 Sep 17 at 6:19pm
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