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    Posted: 01 Sep 17 at 6:30pm
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Originally posted by Gordon 1430

Sorry but you definitely need
fore stay as soon as it blows you ease to rake, far more important than Cunningham or even outhaul.
You generally sail with an eased foot anyway.

Thumbs Up  you guys would certainly know better.... adjustable shrouds and lowers though, are they 'vital'?


Nah, I introduced my guy to letting go the forestay downwind, (he did the opposite) so they all go slack and you can get the boom right out and almost fully run by the lee. I did trash a couple Lasers in fine style on the run which convinced him, then again I'm a bit lighter.
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Originally posted by turnturtle


Thumbs Up  you guys would certainly know better.... adjustable shrouds and lowers though, are they 'vital'?


Adjustable shrouds, other than taking the pin out and moving it up and down, are not class legal, so definatley not vital.

As for lowers on the go, that will split the fleet 50/50
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Originally posted by Gordon 1430

Sorry but you definitely need fore stay as soon as it blows you ease to rake, far more important than Cunningham or even outhaul.
You generally sail with an eased foot anyway.

Thumbs Up  you guys would certainly know better.... adjustable shrouds and lowers though, are they 'vital'?
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We did use to laugh at your "improvements" jimbo. Never quite knew why you needed an iPod feature though...I would agree with RB and Gordon. Most phantoms now seen to have string for the sake of there being string. Almost trying to say "look how great my boat is" when there was no necessity. Mine was as simple as I could get it to be and I did OK in it
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Sorry but you definitely need fore stay as soon as it blows you ease to rake, far more important than Cunningham or even outhaul.
You generally sail with an eased foot anyway.
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Originally posted by rb_stretch

You can win club races with just mainsheet and kicker on a Phantom. Next most important strings are forestay and outhaul. I've never use more than that even in Open meetings.

yep - I went down the everything adjustable, tapered and on elastic take-ups..... I wish I'd read your post above in 2008!  LOL  It was a tweaker's dream... and quick reality check that I'm no tweaker.  

Cunningham and kicker only... I don't even pretend to understand them really, but I do acknowledge when pulling them on makes life easier and a boat point higher.
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You can win club races with just mainsheet and kicker on a Phantom. Next most important strings are forestay and outhaul. I've never use more than that even in Open meetings.
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Didn't you go totally batsh*t mental with spinlocks everywhere, it was in your west coast custom period (have you still got the tats?) There are four bit's of string to pull and only one or two you really worry about during the race even I don't get that flummoxed, you need to pile in and get the new model T Phantom any colour you like as long as it's black with red dyneema trap wires.

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Originally posted by JimC

On the other hand if a boat is fundamentally rubbish, who's going to put the effort in?

Although it took years of debate and I dare say hard work, to get the latest MkII sail out for the Laser and the XD kits in the not-so dim and distant past.  

Which comes down to the old adage, that the boat is really not quite as important as the people who sail them to make a success out things.

I dare say the Phantom's resurgence 10 or so years ago wasn't just down to Vandercraft, the sailmakers and ultimately Ovington.  It was about a group of guys who go together and created the right vibe for them and that vibe was infectious.  

I wasn't overly keen on my Phantom - it had too much string for my tastes and the performance drop off a musto skiff emphasised its (and my) performance weakenesses - but you can't fault the class association and people in it.  

Ironically I'd probably get another one if I were lake sailing regularly, especially handicap racing only - I'd just de-clutter it somewhat from how I had mine back then.    
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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by PeterG

 Better deck profiles
... can mean the boat comes up dry as opposed to swamped, after a capsize. That can be a huge performance driver; you can sail the boat harder, nearer the edge, safe in the knowledge that a mistake does not necessarily mean, effectively, race-over.

Compare the loss in capsizing a laser (so what) with an Ent (might as well go home, unless they are all doing it)

Sure, I'm not arguing that changes that succeed do not make boats faster. But they may also tend to make them more enjoyable to sail at the same time. Coming up dry(ish) after capsize doesn't just make you get round the track faster, it makes the whole experience better, more likely one you would choose to repeat.

I suspect that changes that both make boats faster and make sailing them more fun are likely to be the one most likely to succeed.
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