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    Posted: 22 Aug 17 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Gordon 1430

If your old enough you will remember the name of the original supplier.
I am going to Rooster this afternoon so will have a look, also the new Crewsaver might work.
I googled the Dakine and would want to see one in the flesh before spending that sort of money also would need to check if it complies for dinghy sailing.
Thanks for all the suggestions, like a few I would rather not where one but feel pressurised into it.


Did you not get one of the Spinlock Wing Phantom edition PDF?

If you want to wait until the Nationals there maybe an alternative that will save you a few £ just need to double check the size left
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Hi Phil
Thanks I  have bought a Rooster after trying it on. I did look at the Wing but the padding seemed to start in the same place.
Seems none of you are old enough to remember Flobochock (don't know about the spelling) the original air capsule buoyancy
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

sort of on topic? Anyone seen one of these in the flesh? Looks interesting, and certainly claims to sort a few of the issues with harnesses and BA's. 






Its as if the brief was make something to kill people by entrapment
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No Matt - if you read it rather than jumping to conclusions it is to make it easier to get out of your gear if entrapped. 
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Just think about it for a bit. 18's don't allow BA's. Why? So they can get out of a harness if entrapped (swim down and out). Why do people wear a rash vest over a BA? Because the thing rides up and chokes you, and you float to low without one. Plus its an attempt to be less snaggy in the first place. Put that together on a trap boat and you 'can' have an issue, if you go with the 18's thinking. So this looks like it will be more comfortable and actually safer. Especially with a quick release hook.

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If you get seriously trapped you want to be able to get out of the harness easily, having it permanently sewn to something that is keeping it pinned to you whilst underwater is an accident waiting to happen

The only conclusion being jumped to was that i didn't look at the details and form an opinion on the evidence as presented to me
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LOL... same as ever.

The BA is not sewn to a harness. It is the harness. You get out of both at the same time, they are one thing. If you ask me the 'fashion' for wearing a rash vest over everything is the design brief designed to kill someone. Try getting your rash vest off underwater to then get out of your harness next time you are upside down in your 18.
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I think I am going to assume that Matt was confused.

This is how it looks to me:

If I wear my BA over my current harness I can't reach the nice big harness catch and even if I could, I would have to remove the BA before I could  get out of the harness.

With the Integra version I can extract myself from both (because they are one and the same) by releasing one catch.

This sounds like an improvement to me
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Flotherchoc I think was the correct spelling, I think it was French.

Musto also made their version of it (as one of their versions) with detachable arms on it, so it did the job of a spray top too. There were also a couple of manufacturers (Piel and Typhoon among them from memory) who incorporated the buoyancy aid into a wetsuit, but they weren't very popular.

It must be time for somebody to re-introduce the Musto longer style shaping? As well as being thinner the waist belt genuinely held the buoyancy aid in position. Today's high fit garments are too high for any belt to fit under the rib cage - no wonder they ride up. For Maxibuddah's interest, Pryde do their buoyancy aid in 3XL and up in sizing, although this isn't really any bigger than most companies XL
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Sounds a bit like the windsurfing harness versus buoyancy aid dichotomy...... we were sometimes required to wear a BA but the harness was considered acceptable (a wetsuit was not) despite the move from 'chest harnesses' to 'seat harnesses' (still my favoured option). I suppose the reasoning is similar to the WW2 'May West' lifejacket RAF pilots were compelled too wear..... they did nothing to improve survival but 'made the bodies easier to recover'.....

edit :- Oh and yes, I'm old enough to both remember 'flotherchock' 'life jackets' and to have owned/worn one.......


Edited by Sam.Spoons - 22 Aug 17 at 8:18pm
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