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    Posted: 18 Aug 17 at 8:07am
Originally posted by Dougaldog

It isn't just the Wind Guru thing but some six weeks ago we were warned of an extended period of unsettled weather with rain and strong winds. 


I must be the exact opposite of your demographic then as I'm a mid fleet sailor at best who would be far more likely to turn up to a nationals/open meeting if we could be guaranteed strong winds for the entire event. If I could guarantee wind over the duration of an open even, let alone a nationals I'd probably do more but my performance is so wind strength dependant it's not funny. Which probably means I sail completely the wrong boat for me in everyone elses eyes but in terms of smiles per sail I'm not changing, even if it means I don't bother travelling that much anymore..... Two class events I fancied this year, the nationals and a big anniversary event. Ones in Scotland so too far for me even though there will be others travelling further and the other unfortunately that clashes with a previous commitment so can't make that either.

p.s. I don't think weather really comes in to the decision to attend a nationals. The majority will still have accomodation/time off work etc etc booked further in advance than any decent weather forecasting can cope with and cancelling because windguru says its not ideal would cost far too much for most. How do families cope who all sail in different fleets? Perhaps they don't do any nationals as they can do them all and doing one would be favouritist. Perhaps they go to a club regatta week somewhere as they all get to sail at the same time.


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Originally posted by maxibuddah

I know that championships are about who is the best in class, but if classes only concentrate on the top and forget the majority, i.e the 75-90% who have no chance of winning, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot. They are the ones that keep the class going and they must be made welcome, wanted and it be worthwhile them turning up.

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Though whether championships (or any competitive sports event) are purely about finding out who is best is debatable - people attend championships with many different motivations/goals. When classes (or rather the front-of-fleet sailors that make up the bulk of committees) forget that and espouse 'hard cheese' attitudes the likely result is a tailing off of attendance.

Also the general decline in participation across the sport perhaps means the natural churn in the mid/back fleet was masked when the sport was more popular, with a continual stream of new people, but now appears as significant peaks and troughs with fewer new people coming in.
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I know that championships are about who is the best in class, but if classes only concentrate on the top and forget the majority, i.e the 75-90% who have no chance of winning, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot. They are the ones that keep the class going and they must be made welcome, wanted and it be worthwhile them turning up.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dougaldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 17 at 10:22pm
Sargesail. It isn't the only factor but it certainly seems to be one of them - that is judging from some of the comments I've had over the last three weeks. It isn't just the Wind Guru thing but some six weeks ago we were warned of an extended period of unsettled weather with rain and strong winds. The result of this 'climate change' (I'm using the words carefully for I do not know if it is or if this is just a statistical blip) is that a number of lower mid fleet sailors that I have spoken to are questioning the value to them of attending. Is this a detail in the bigger picture that yet has to be understood? That the hot shots will still be there at the front of the fleet, but the bigger numbers further down are starting to question what they are attending for?  If so, it is certainly a new dynamic that will change the nature of the annual gatherings. I'm seeing something but right now, I'm not sure quite what it is. Demographics are playing a part too.....in the end, the answer might well be the classic 'all of the above'!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 17 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by Dougaldog

Davidyacht: I am well aware of the failings, on both sides, that took place during the event you refer to, but think it a bit sad that PSC are being pilloried unfairly. As I said, there were failings on both sides but this is hardly the forum for airing just one side of the grievances. I was at Hayling Island recently and would rather be here than there (and that is from some who lives on the IOW).I'm at PSC now and have seen them working hard across the week to make the Merlin Champs a success. I'm then staying on here to cover the IC worlds so will be able to give an better informed and reasoned view in 10 days time.
But is it really just a case that it is being held at PSC? I don't think so and will do a short article looking back at the week here. Instead, if there is one factor that has hit the success of this week it has to be the weather - it has been grotty since day one. The Wind Guru/XC weather effect that we often talk about is in plain view here.
However, all this is just part of a bigger picture. Defining what that bigger picture is, wow, that is a task and a half and I've little doubt that the RYA will continue to fund Consultant activity as they look at rebuilding the grassroots of the sport - if that is what they might want to do. And that is an even bigger question...do they even want to do it!
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I'm really interested in your assertion that Windguru/XC Weather effect has been in evidence at a week long nationals.  Surely a championship requires planning/prep that doesn't get turned off for the weather?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dougaldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 17 at 6:40pm
Davidyacht: I am well aware of the failings, on both sides, that took place during the event you refer to, but think it a bit sad that PSC are being pilloried unfairly. As I said, there were failings on both sides but this is hardly the forum for airing just one side of the grievances. I was at Hayling Island recently and would rather be here than there (and that is from some who lives on the IOW).I'm at PSC now and have seen them working hard across the week to make the Merlin Champs a success. I'm then staying on here to cover the IC worlds so will be able to give an better informed and reasoned view in 10 days time.
But is it really just a case that it is being held at PSC? I don't think so and will do a short article looking back at the week here. Instead, if there is one factor that has hit the success of this week it has to be the weather - it has been grotty since day one. The Wind Guru/XC weather effect that we often talk about is in plain view here.
However, all this is just part of a bigger picture. Defining what that bigger picture is, wow, that is a task and a half and I've little doubt that the RYA will continue to fund Consultant activity as they look at rebuilding the grassroots of the sport - if that is what they might want to do. And that is an even bigger question...do they even want to do it!
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Originally posted by Gordon 1430

The class that thinks its at Warsash SC when its at Weston
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Small distance large difference.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 17 at 8:43pm
'Price of Fish and Chips'
Dougal, do you not think this light hearted discussion is the fun that is lacking in sailing ?
This banter is what I enjoy when racing, abusing other helms/crews, just keep it light, but make sure you beat them.


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Well Dougal, I have been steeped in attending Merlin, N12, I14 and more recently Solo championshipsat various.  My take is that the venue does need to be attractive, the ganisation needs to be good and more importantly the venue needs to welcome the sailors, something that has tarnished by view of Plas Helli, and ideally there needs to be a home fleet ... and finally potential for sea breezes must be high on the priorities ... if you can tick all of these boxes then I suspect that you will get a good turnout, if you can't then the reasons for going against hard earned time may not stack up.
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I've just arrived up at Pwllheli and have been at the club today looking at the Merlin Nationals. Thinking that there might be a story here for me I was keen to find out the reasons for being there and why they thought others had stayed away. It is a complex topic, yet one that is very important to the health of our sport; maybe far too important to trivialize with a discourse on the price of fish and chips. This is now the 5th Championship that I have been at in the last 3 weeks (3 of those I've been RO for) and the one theme that comes up time and time again is 'value for money'. That isn't just financial value but that far more intangible "was it worth it" question. A good example of this was the Hornets around the corner at Colwyn Bay. Some questionable organisation and horribly sh*te weather left one stalwart in the class wondering why he had bothered. Then the final day gave perfect Hornet sailing and on speaking to him again, his attitude had changed, "This" he enthused "is what it is all about".
I really think our perception of the weather is a key factor. Back to the Merlins - they have had a run of championships with less than summery weather and I got a strong feeling that this was more of the same. I think the comments about Plas Heli - the sailing centre at Pwllheli were unhelpful - looking at it with a quizzical eye, it scores all round against both Weymouth and Hayling Island. Okay, it isn't South Coast but maybe that might be a stronger reason to come here than some of the over priced and over hyped so called 'popular venues'. Yet the other side of the argument is that the south coast fleshspots do have that added attraction. One of our most popular single handed classes can attract 130+ boats, yet a superbly organised event the following year, at a top club on the east coast, got jus over half that number.
Maybe the bigger question is if the decline in Nationals attendance is a symptom or a cause of the wider malaise that is impacting on dinghy racing. Cue the chorus of "we've never had it so good" but as one who spends his days looking at the sport, I've never seen it so bad!
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