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    Posted: 12 May 17 at 11:37am
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Originally posted by 423zero

Have you thought about a taller sail and reduce top make a big head sail,good gust response.

That's how the Blaze Fire is designed, works beautifully. My ISO main (same size near as dammit to the Spice) is a square head and little roach. It seems to behave better than the Spice main. I only use the Spice main on the occasional 'proper' race to avoid handicap issues should I ever sail fast enough to be in the chocolates (highly unlikely TBH) as they are no longer available and I want to keep it in decent condition. I don't suppose anybody would complain but you never know. I suggested some changes to the Spice Class Rules to allow ISO sails to be used and be in class but there is no active CA. Stuart at Vantage Sailing does still sell spares and lists the ISO main as suitable for the Spice (which is is). I don't know if he is the rights holder for Spice though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 17 at 11:44am
Eps sail looks nice, but how do you get in irons from a gybe??

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Yes, was going to say how nice GRF's soft sail looks but got call away from the keyboard. T's a lovely thing  Smile
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Originally posted by A2Z


Eps sail looks nice, but how do you get in irons from a gybe??


First rig a new sheeting system and route the rope the wrong way through one of those one way pully blocks then, as usual ,forget to dump the kicker on a windy reach, then when your mate in a Laser in front decides to chicken gybe (wear round I believe is the correct term) call him a pussy, try to sheet in, fail, bang through anyway and over I go as the sheet fails to give enough thanks to the block. Jump on the mast get legover, dry capsize, recover, bearing in mind a certain panic since it had been very warm and relatively windless when we set out and a brisk cold wind from the East swept in making my choice of thin rash vest and shorts a bit careless bordering on downright stupid, then having recovered, struggle to bear away, try several times before realising the kicker thing is still on full...

In other words my normal procedure when the wind puffs above my pecieved ability level and enters reality check.
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Love it Graeme, sound like exactly the kind of thing I would do  Clown
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The supernova main; of which you have concerns about due to being fully battened is ugly as a junk boat but is very manageable in breeze, it does not suffer from some of the issues associated with the original blaze rig. I feel however that it's performance would be greatly improved with a switch to a semi soft set up. The boat simply isnt as fast as you'd expect upwind, it gains its positions on the reaches where it performs beautifully . That said it is very well mannered and in no way unpredictable in a blow.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 17 at 12:03am
That's good to know E.J. I agree it's not a pretty rig by modern standards, it looks low aspect with little roach to promote twist but fairly long in the foot. I wonder if the upwind speed is compromised by what appears to be a fairly short daggerboard? The fact that it can be fully retracted into the case without fouling the boom or kicker confirms what the pictures hint at. Either way they are al the same and I'm not to bad at getting a boat upwind so if it flatters on the reaches I'll be happy.
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If anything the dagger board is too long, most people don't sail upwind with it fully down.Perhap the what you have seen is due to the fact that the hull is very round so you have to brave to fully retract it, plus it's a relatively high boom so fouling has never been a concern.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 17 at 8:57am
Interesting, the Spice has a high boom to allow helm and crew to cross the boat on their feet as they're both trapezing but the daggerboard still fouls the kicker (and even the boom) well before it's flush with the hull. 
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