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    Posted: 11 May 17 at 10:43am
Lots of cunningham, tighten outhaul, bend mast, open leech, move jib cars back, rake centreboard back, sail flat 
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Originally posted by ClubRacer

If the main is back winding it sounds

Sounds like not enough downhaul to me...
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It happens on a reach too when well overpowered. Will try more cunningham and outhaul to flatten and open the leech. I usually crank the cunningham on hard when it's windy already and I'm not too worried about performance, I don't race the Spice seriously.

A better sailor would, presumably, just muscle the boat and go for it but I'm a little bit cautious with the Spice  Embarrassed
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Fully battens sails can be a handful in a blow, especially when tacking and gybing as when they pop the power comes on very quickly. this was one of the reasons the Blaze went for a semi soft setup as they are more forgiving to mere mortals.

If you are having issues on a reach it does sound a bit more like rig setup to me. What you would need to do to get around that is a mystery as I am no expert on fully battened sails.
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As a long time Raceboard sailor and racer I'm well used to fully battened sails, and my Demon VG5 was a handful in a blow. Not mastered the Spice yet (and probably never will) but it's still fun trying  Big smile
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White sail reaching, or Assy reaching?  

Used to sail a Howlett 14 which I guess has some semblance to a Spice, white sail reaching was never that comfortable, fully battened or soft.

Assymetric reaching is all about balance, dumping enough kicker and keeping the spinnaker luff just curling.  

I really don't buy into the idea of a soft sail making things easier, we were in 14s when they went fully battened, and the only time soft sails were better was in the very light stuff, but you could try it in the way you describe and see how you get on, or put some soft contract battens in the sail.
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Sounds like the mast is too straight or the jib needs to be eased a little more?
Or worrying too much about a bit of bubbling around the main luff that doesn't really matter?

how much draft is in the main and how far back is it?
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No it's not just a bit of bubbling around the luff, I'm talking about 2/3rds of the sail inverting. White sail reaching too, if I can get the kite up it isn't windy enough for it to be a problem. I guess I'm talking 20-25 knots plus and my skill set in the boat is nowhere near getting the kite up in that much wind. I usually use an ISO main, fairly full but it looks pretty much ok to me. I will try more rake, cunningham and outhaul and all the other advice given. As I said it's probably mostly down to pilot error, I just need to man up and get better at sailing it. Hopefully sailing the Blaze in stronger winds will help me develop some transferrable skills  Tongue Thanks everybody.
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The trouble with downshifting to a smaller main is that it doesn't bend the mast the same, so doesn't flatten the same.
2 sail reaches, the jib sheets are always too far inboard unless you have barber haulers like some Merlins.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

The trouble with downshifting to a smaller main is that it doesn't bend the mast the same, so doesn't flatten the same.

Yup agreed, the Blaze Fire sail has the same length luff as the full sized Blaze sail. The Supernova small sail has a shorter luff but the difference in area is much greater than between the Blaze and Fire). I've read that the 'nova small sail is not a particularly happy match (though I have yet to sail a 'nova with either sail). I have both Blaze and Fire sails anbd the Fire is excellent.

2 sail reaches, the jib sheets are always too far inboard unless you have barber haulers like some Merlins.

Yes that makes sense.


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