RS 400 Tack Line

   Having a little bit of a puzzle with my tack line on the 400. When the pole is retracted I'm pretty sure the tack line is meant to ease by 30cm or so allowing the tack to get up and into the chute. This doesn't seem to happen on my boat. 
Is there a knot inside the pole that sets this? If so, how do I get to it? Does anyone have a diagram of how the pole outhaul/tack line system works on the 400?

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laser193713 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889	Post Options Post Reply Quote laser193713 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: RS 400 Tack Line Posted: 09 May 17 at 11:49am
	Having a little bit of a puzzle with my tack line on the 400. When the pole is retracted I'm pretty sure the tack line is meant to ease by 30cm or so allowing the tack to get up and into the chute. This doesn't seem to happen on my boat. Is there a knot inside the pole that sets this? If so, how do I get to it? Does anyone have a diagram of how the pole outhaul/tack line system works on the 400?

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 17 at 12:04pm
	The first question is whether there is something the physically stops it. Can you, on the shore, pull out a length of line sufficient to get the tack in the chute? If so its probably a friction problem rather than a misplaced knot. But suggest you ask on an RS forum too.

laser193713 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889	Post Options Post Reply Quote laser193713 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 17 at 12:10pm
	I don't think it's a friction problem, it moves an inch or two but not nearly enough to get the kite to the chute. I just don't know whether the knot is inside the pole or somehow attached to the inboard end for example. The RS forum seems pretty dead, I will ask there but normally get a good answer to most things on here!

RS400atC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011	Post Options Post Reply Quote RS400atC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 17 at 12:20pm
	Assuming my boat is 'normal'.... There is a knot inside the pole. When the kite is pulled in, initially the pole tends to stay out until the knot jams against the inside of the pole end, then the pole comes in. The knot is positioned to have the kite fully in the chute and roughly 30-40cm of pole sticking out. There is a class rule about how much pole may stick out upwind IIRC, I forget the number! We have a basic 2 line system FWIW.

laser193713 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889	Post Options Post Reply Quote laser193713 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 17 at 10:21pm
	So that begs the question... how the hell do you get to that knot!? I guess I need to mouse the tack line out of the inboard end of the sprit somehow. Or is the outboard end easy to remove? Mine has a healthy wrap of tape just in from the end which could be hiding a retaining screw for the end cap...? That would be the easy outcome anyway!

Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 17 at 11:38pm
	The end caps, both ends, are fixed with a screw or pop rivet. To get at the knot you have to remove on at least.
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	Before you do anything, check that the inboard end of the pole launch line - in the cockpit -hasn't knotted.

ClubRacer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210	Post Options Post Reply Quote ClubRacer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 17 at 12:38am
	sounds like the knot on the inside of the pole if your inboard end cap hasn't fallen off already you may as well drill the rivets and tape it on because it will only fall off in the near future anyway. you then attach your new tack line which is 2meteres longer than it needs to be to the outboard end and pull it through the pole and out of the cap you just took off until its nearly all the way through, now tie a figure of 8 (i also use a bobble) and pull the outboard end back out until it hits the knot, rig your kite up and stow it. keep adjusting the tack line until its the right length to get almost all the way into the chute with the pole only just sticking proud of the bow. Then chop off the excess I also leave a little more length on the tack so that i can push the pole just inside the mouth of the boat for towing Edited by ClubRacer - 10 May 17 at 12:41am

Neptune Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neptune Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 17 at 3:54pm
	Surely swapping to a one string system like every other Assym class would be much easier!
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Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 17 at 4:38pm
	One string systems have more friction though so if your crew is not so big/strong a two string can be easier.
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