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    Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 7:08am
Originally posted by turnturtle

Ethnic diversity - that's always a hot one....

Improving all the time at my club I'm happy to say.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Ethnic diversity - that's always a hot one....

Improving all the time at my club I'm happy to say.




Jolly good.


Just out of interest, does anyone know how much the RYA spend on PY development/admin and associated resources? 
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Talking about money, how much would advertising cost ? giving equivalent coverage for RYA that they get from Olympics.
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Talking about money, how much would advertising cost ? giving equivalent coverage for RYA that they get from Olympics.

it would all depend on engagement objective - is the aim to raise awareness per capita?  Or to increase participation?

If it's the former - then a cost per slot for a TV ad during say, Coronation Street is roughly (very roughly!!!), £50k.  Typically 7.8 million viewers per episode, but of course the metrics are different now as fair proportion watch on demand (guaranteed engagement) or via a hard disk catch up (where you can FFWD the adverts, therefore zero engagement).

If it's the latter - then £50k spent on a 12 boat trailer and 12 Aeros or 24 Neos could be put to VERY good use around the country on a tour to encourage people to actually try it.... hit the parks with big enough lakes during summer would be a great way to start.  You can't get more 'grass roots' than sailing on the Serpentine or its equivalents around the country, especially if local clubs provide some man power to support the effort.

I would suggest that any marketing return from the Olympics is far more in line with the Corrie advert, i.e. it might raise awareness, but I doubt it has much impact on actual participation, even initial trial sails.






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Originally posted by JimC

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Ethnic diversity - that's always a hot one....

Improving all the time at my club I'm happy to say.
Are you actively promoting it? Or is it happening by itself? Would be interested to hear if you have any advice on how to improve diversity!


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I'm not directly involved: only see the results.
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Eisvogel, my club is in Sandwell Valley, we have several thousand a day minimum walk through on any given Saturday,at least half immigrants, we have had no interest to our advertising.we do have 1 Asian member,she came with a member though not from any attempt by us, plus a polish family, that's it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 6:47pm
There were a dozen young people out at our club last night freezing their butts learning to SUP a few of them were recently moved down DFLs enjoying time out after work on the sea. There were only six of us left Windsurf Racing (And the rate I'm going that will soon be 5) They will be down every week because a young enthusiastic girl as taken it up on herself to profit by setting up a SUP school,
Co incidentally they put up the poster for the RYA Push the Boat out, not that we can fit any more boats in our boat park but the new Commodore is keen so ours not to reason why, but nonetheless, that is one day in the entire year. By the time it comes round probably about four dozen new SUP riders will have passed through the club.
However many sailors we attract, there will be no follow up, because no one is profitably engaged to do so, and even if they did, there are no dinghy shops or dealers and no choice or advice as to what type of dinghy they should buy because none of us really care, we're busy doing what we do.
By the end of the year there will be twice as many SUP riders as there will be Dinghy sailors and probably a fair few Kitesurfers as well if I have anything to do about it.

There's a moral there if you care to look for it.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 7:39pm
And how many of those SUP riders will get bitten for life do you reckon? Or is that old school thinking, and frankly those in sports marketing accept the churn - be that 18 months or 10 years? Genuine question mate?
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