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    Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 10:06am
Originally posted by davidyacht

My frustration is that the RYA could do a lot more to be seen to engage with the adult dinghy racing scene.  A number of the key issues have been raised in recent threads, notably;

Too focused on Olympic pathways
System spits out non-top performing youths
No push for adult race coaching
Inconsistencies in PY system

But there are a number of big positives which a dinghy lobby group would not be able to grapple with;

National dinghy show
Regional support for clubs if they ask
Management of PYs, Rules, conduit for funding, lobbying for clubs in disputes

My impression is of an organisation with good intent that is bogged down by the diversity of waterborne activities that it tries to represent, and by the inertia of an organisation that is not driven by the markets.

From a dinghy racers perspective the make up of the RYA management committee does not suggest that there is anybody on board that is likely to improve matters;

http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/chiefexec/Web%20Documents/BOARD_PROFILES.pdf



The RYA does adult race coaching just in a different format. They arrange club race coach courses which can give the more experienced racers the ability to coach in your club. We have run a couple at Hunts and got some good people from it who are not interesting in becoming DIs.

Having a squad system would not work for most adults, they don;t have the time to commit but will happily make it for their kids.

With regards to the PY system it is based on the data they get. They cannot really have confidence in some of the numbers though so perhaps that needs to be addressed.
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My frustration is that the RYA could do a lot more to be seen to engage with the adult dinghy racing scene.  A number of the key issues have been raised in recent threads, notably;

Too focused on Olympic pathways
System spits out non-top performing youths
No push for adult race coaching
Inconsistencies in PY system

But there are a number of big positives which a dinghy lobby group would not be able to grapple with;

National dinghy show
Regional support for clubs if they ask
Management of PYs, Rules, conduit for funding, lobbying for clubs in disputes

My impression is of an organisation with good intent that is bogged down by the diversity of waterborne activities that it tries to represent, and by the inertia of an organisation that is not driven by the markets.

From a dinghy racers perspective the make up of the RYA management committee does not suggest that there is anybody on board that is likely to improve matters;

http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/chiefexec/Web%20Documents/BOARD_PROFILES.pdf
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Originally posted by JohnJack

Open Question, Do you think people would pay a nominal membership to be part of a dinghy racing association, and do you think events would subscribe to it?

That would surely depend on what it did, or aimed to do? What sort of things would you see such an organisation doing - that would differ from what class associations and the RYA do now?
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Originally posted by Rupert

Clubs can tweak the system to suit their needs. For kids, we use the Stages as a framework. For adults, it is trickier, as they tend to have limited time, so a weekend per course tends to be what works. However, if a club wants to integrate new sailors, more support needs to be offered by the club and its members. The RYA can only be a small part of that.

Do I think the RYA could change its priorities a little? Yes. But I'm sure all members feel that way.

We run our Cadet Week which is a mix of doing the RYA stages combined with fun activities (sailing games, free sailing, bit of racing). It works pretty well and when you get a group of kids together they really drive each other on.
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Open Question, Do you think people would pay a nominal membership to be part of a dinghy racing association, and do you think events would subscribe to it?
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Clubs can tweak the system to suit their needs. For kids, we use the Stages as a framework. For adults, it is trickier, as they tend to have limited time, so a weekend per course tends to be what works. However, if a club wants to integrate new sailors, more support needs to be offered by the club and its members. The RYA can only be a small part of that.

Do I think the RYA could change its priorities a little? Yes. But I'm sure all members feel that way.
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The first two options are the same - the RYA is a continually changing and evolving organisation.

Some may say for the better, others for the worse; but one thing we can all agree on is that the RYA has changed, and in likelihood, will continue to do so.
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I have taken on a club role that puts me in contact with the RYA's support functions for the first time. I am impressed by the variety and thoughtfulness of the support that is available to clubs if they choose to take it.
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I think the training side works well for "sailing schools" but is less suited to a sailing club than it used to be. It seems focussed on getting pieces of paper out quickly rather than generating good members that the club will retain. There is room for both systems.

I think the whole pathway system needs a revamp to keep those on the pathway scheme and their parents a part of the clubs they represent.

The running theme is that sailing clubs, in my opinion, get something of a raw deal from the RYA.

You can't really replace your governing body, i just live in hope of some reform.


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On the Training side I think they're doing quite a good job.

As with a lot of sports, I think the performance pathway side needs to take a good look at athlete welfare and duty of care.
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