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    Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 6:59pm
Most (all?) traditional classes measure every single sail. And every hull, mast, boom, foil, etc. We take it on trust that SMOD manufacturers will build every boat/rig to spec but who's to say if boats/rigs are never measured? An overweight boat is always going to be slower than a minimum weight boat, a better cut/carefully constructed sail will always be faster than a badly made sail, etc......
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I have never seen a Laser with a replica sail, what percentage of Lasers racing "class" or "handicap" are using them ?
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Originally posted by 423zero

I have never seen a Laser with a replica sail, what percentage of Lasers racing "class" or "handicap" are using them ?

Club culture plays a big part. One club I sail at has a large fleet, almost all are on replicas - this is the club that needs to sort out its NOR!

The other has about 4-5 regularly out, i think all are genuine sails. Interestingly the first club has a class start, the other does not!

Some are quite hard to spot, and you probably have seen them just not clocked them as replicas.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by 2547

The key here is value.

I was told by a top Laser sailor that a new sail is good for one regatta; I mean WTF ... really ...

If I was club sailing a Laser it would be replica sail.

If you are in that position you have chosen to buy a Laser. You have signed up to that, and everything that goes with it. Other classes are available.

I dont see why some Laser sailors expect to have some "right" to do something that in any other class would be frowned upon. I have less of a problem if clubs do the things I suggested my last post.

Well, the point of the thread was that the price has randomly increased by 37% without any warning before it was hijacked by people who may or may not agree with the SMOD concept as a whole  Embarrassed  

Personally I signed up to a class that sold you a new sail for 395 and had the understanding that it's only really good for a single week long regatta.   When the class rules are up for a change we all get to vote on it...
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Yes the thread has drifted from the OP .

Leaving aside variations of the SMOD model and design rights.

The point in question is very specific to Laser. I agree when buying a Laser you are in principle entering into a contract. 
HOWEVER.
There is a moral principle that a contract is only enforceable if it is fair and reasonable to both parties.
I and it seems several others consider that Laser price their wares unreasonably above a fair market price and therefore feel little moral pressure to adhere to the contract.
BTW. I haven't had a Laser for a long while now, partly because I believe them in official full class legal form using genuine replacement parts (sails, spars, foils) to be vastly overpriced. 
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A base model crosscut dacron solo sail is now £670 from a leading sailmaker.

Granted, it'll last rather longer.

Sails in general have undergone something of a price hike, i think you'll find the Laser sail hasn't proportionately increased very much more than anything else has.
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Dollar pricing to lofts from the Bainbridges of the world?
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But a Laser 'training' sail can be had for £200...... They have a business model too and aren't making them at a loss......
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Posts: 929 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 17 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

But a Laser 'training' sail can be had for £200...... They have a business model too and aren't making them at a loss......

But you can't race properly with it................

The official Laser sail - whether its a rip off or not - is still significantly cheaper than a proven winning sail in equivalent classes. (Edit - I dont include the Aero and new breed classes as equivalent yet - this'll undoubtedly change, but the numbers aren't there yet.)

You can no doubt buy a Solo sail thats much cheaper if you want to - will it be any good?


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But, given the longevity of a 'real' Laser sail, a £200 replica is probably no less good a product and there is no reason why Laser couldn't build their 'official' sails for a better price.
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