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    Posted: 13 Apr 17 at 10:37pm
googled 50 newton buoyancy aid, not much use anyway, 
inland water, 
help close at hand, 
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why bother if you have all of above.
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Originally posted by andy h

To me I reckon that for every anecdote of the time a buoyancy aid has caused an issue there must be a hundred where they've saved a potentially bad situation.  There's plenty to be gained in analysing the issues and improving the design of BAs, but I'm certainly glad we're all forced to wear them.
Don't disagree but they could still be a lot better 
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To me I reckon that for every anecdote of the time a buoyancy aid has caused an issue there must be a hundred where they've saved a potentially bad situation.  There's plenty to be gained in analysing the issues and improving the design of BAs, but I'm certainly glad we're all forced to wear them.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

The problem with the current generation of buoyancy aids is their tendency to ride up when in the water, some kind of crutch strap could improve performance, but might restrict movement while sailing.

I wear a Spandex top as others have mentioned which reduces the rise up. It still allows the shoulder straps to be grabbed and the wearer pulled from the water. Vest types are available which makes the shoulder straps more visible. You can buy retrofit able crotch straps or even better thigh straps. 

Alternatively I also have the open style hiking pants which tend to fall down, I have fitted shoulder straps which I wear over the buoyancy aid and hold it in place 

The manufacturers of dinghy buoyancy aids are not dealing with this issue very well, kiteboarding, canoe and commercial buoyancy aids appear to be better.
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The problem with the current generation of buoyancy aids is their tendency to ride up when in the water, some kind of crutch strap could improve performance, but might restrict movement while sailing.
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Originally posted by JimC


- to greatly reduce the amount of energy you have to expend swimming.
 Really? Not done a lot of swimming then clearly, they absolutely hamper progress made swimming. One of the things that can happen to us (windsurfers) and to a certain extent dinghy sailors, the board/boat can get carried away quite quick by surf or wind, there is no way you would keep up or chase a board down wearing one, I'd bet the house on it, but in reality worse than that you're betting your life on it.
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Two significant things the buoyancy provides are:
- to keep your mouth further from the water, significantly reducing the risk of secondary drowning.
- to greatly reduce the amount of energy you have to expend swimming.
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What is technical specification for a 50 newton buoyancy aid, ie what is it supposed to do ?
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I realised the futility of them when one of the bloody things pinned my sister face first into the water courtesy of a tiller extension snagged through the arm of one.... she'd have been a goner had it happened on a singlehander.  

That said, I would insist my kids use them - they are not strong swimmers and above all, I don't want to be featured in the Daily Mail for irresponsible parenting - but frankly for me, no, I doubt I'd wear one again for casual dinghy sailing unless it were mandated by the rules of the club I was sailing under.

I would also support a general move towards elective use for adults.





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