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    Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Supersofa the newest in there?

Suspect that will change as the Aero takes hold, but still a poor show from the millennium babies.

Poor show in terms of getting returns in.
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Clubs get returns in, so I'd expect things to be fairly even for classes.

Jeffers, the 400 came first, so 1996 is the newest on the list. As you say, hardly new.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

L3K is a nice boat, a mate has one, we're a bit heavy for it but it's fun in a blow and more forgiving than the Spice. FRP is pretty low maintenance too so when you move on from the Vision you should still manage to remain married. A virtual beginner I know bought a L2 after a couple of years in a Swallow (of all things, horrid looking thing but it got him going) and he's doing well in it solo (without the kite) and with a novice crew so the hull form is not too tricky.

There's a lot to be said for the trad classes too though (even if they are usually a bit heavier than the modern kit). I would love a decent FRP Ent (especially a new Mk3..... ) just a pure and simple nice boat.
Thanks Sam your post got me thinking what I actually want. Any replacement has to be an improvement on the Vision which is back breakingly heavy and that is its only fault. I suspect I may have one of the +20kg plastic boats. 'Improvement' is a subjective word but the Vision works as a boat I can take my daughter and her friend out when they are tired after a couple of races in their boats. I can also 'cruise' single handed with the asymmetric but I find the ergonomics don't work for trapezing. This to me is a simple list of my requirements and I do feel the 3000 is the nearest but very open to ideas, next would be a 420 

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Cost sub 2k                  N/A
Crew weight 17-20kg ✅
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Do you need to race with your crew?
Maybe look at Vareo, Vortex?
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Posts: 3401 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 10:33pm
TBF you can sail almost anything singlehanded (I sail the Spice solo in the light stuff, even with 38M2 off wind...... not in F3+ though). The L3K seems a nice boat to single hand, even off the wire, and it was on my shortlist back in 2007 when I was buying my first dinghy in 40 years. It probably might have been the better choice rather than the Spice but, at the time I was only shopping for one boat (I now, finally, have the Blaze) so wanted something that would keep me interested for a good while, and I wasn't having to cater for very young sailors. I haven't regretted the Spice but I do, very much, like my mates L3K too. Between us maybe we have the best of nearly all worlds?

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Originally posted by RS400atC

Do you need to race with your crew?
Maybe look at Vareo, Vortex?
Yes most certainly I sail my Streaker and my daughter an Opi but as a third boat we would like to sail together.
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Maybe I should add, I didn't want a trad/slow boat when I bought the Spice in 2007/8 but even if I had I doubt my wife would have been converted, she has sailed in the Spice once.... An L2k might have got her out a few more times but we now have a small RHIB (an old Avon Adventure 4.5 with a 50HP Johnson) that makes her (and me, on the right day) happy. I'd still like to think I'll have an nice Ent when I finally decide I'm too old for the Spice but maybe I'll need something with some ballast then........

Edited by Sam.Spoons - 31 Mar 17 at 10:53pm
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