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Sam.Spoons 
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Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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 Topic: Laser VagoPosted: 30 Mar 17 at 10:38pm |
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L3K is a nice boat, a mate has one, we're a bit heavy for it but it's fun in a blow and more forgiving than the Spice. FRP is pretty low maintenance too so when you move on from the Vision you should still manage to remain married. A virtual beginner I know bought a L2 after a couple of years in a Swallow (of all things, horrid looking thing but it got him going) and he's doing well in it solo (without the kite) and with a novice crew so the hull form is not too tricky.
There's a lot to be said for the trad classes too though (even if they are usually a bit heavier than the modern kit). I would love a decent FRP Ent (especially a new Mk3..... ) just a pure and simple nice boat.
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
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ian.r.mcdonald
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Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 9:43pm |
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how can you tell a good builder from one purely aiming at profit?
the good builders work with the class association and owners to find areas to improve without affecting existing owners significantly. the profit builders just keep banging out new models until they run out of numbers or obscure names to call them buy a class with some history and some hope of a future Gp14 etc |
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tink
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Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 9:03pm |
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That should be
We know WHO is posting next
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Tink
https://tinkboats.com http://proasail.blogspot.com |
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tink
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Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 9:02pm |
You are poking the Hornets Nest now, we know is posting next. Will look at the Buzz stats.
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Tink
https://tinkboats.com http://proasail.blogspot.com |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 8:49pm |
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There was an RS Vision in my old club.
Sailed well it was a menace on PY. They go quite well in lightish airs. They don't capsize much. They don't break. Moving on from there, I'd think about who/what there is to race against. For a father/youngish daughter team, the Buzz comes to mind as a value for money menace on PY. Mentioning no names of course! |
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tink
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Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 8:33pm |
It all goes back to why I bought the Vision. About 6/7 years ago my daughter was about 5yrs old and I wanted a family boat to get her into sailing. At the time I was developing a 14ft proa and sailing an IC so spending a lot of time in the boat shed, my wife insisted the boat had to be zero maintenance. It also had left all year on on the North York Moors, very icy in the winter. Anyway the Vision has been a total success, my daughter hooked on sailing, I have only replaced the jib furl line (and the cover, standard one couldn't take the UV) and it has spent all it's life up on the Moors. Move to the present day, I have a wooden Streaker, 12 ft sailing canoe and my daughter an Opi so still spending time in the boat shed. Still want a two handed boat for my daughter to sail together so was considering a switch to a Vago. Anyway thanks to a the responses and I have decided to stick to the Vision and see how much two handed sailing we actually do. My current favourite is the 3000, light and I can get one for the same dollar as can sail the Vision for. Anyway thanks again one and all.
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Tink
https://tinkboats.com http://proasail.blogspot.com |
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andymck
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Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 8:35am |
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The Vago was pre tested at our clubs sailing school prior to launch when it had an association with laser. The feedback was not good. The snag list was long. When the discussion was had it was admitted t was too late as they had already built a significant number of hulls.
Our sailing school never bought them. Get a 2k or a 500 depending on experience. Better sorted. More support. More people sail them. And fixable. Andy |
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Andy Mck
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 11:55pm |
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Most of what's been said on this thread re polyprop boats I've seen at my club. The only folk who seem to buy these beasts are newbies. The usual pattern is newbie buys said polyprop beast because they have read the unbiased ? reviews on the likes of wiki, join a club, try and sail said beast at the club and find that they sail like a pig, they then sell said pig at a substantial loss and buy what the rest of the club sail. Whats's that phrase, caveat emptor ?
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 10:46pm |
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Any reason for a poly boat rather than FRP tink?
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NickA
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 10:37pm |
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By all means sell your Vision but don't buy a Vago. Even if they don't fall apart (and whilst I know a few owners and my club has a few for rental, I've never seen or heard of a privately owned one failing) they are really not as nice as the competition.
Wobbly, flexy, heavy, need a howling wind to get planing and really hard to mend if you break it. The wiki entry is indeed a travesty of the truth! The small trapeze and asymetric double hander sector is crowded with boats. Think Laser 3000, V3000, Buzz, RS500, 29er even. Some of them are getting long in the tooth, but there are good ones around at good prices. I'll admit to bias as I have a V3000 ... but waited until the Vago was released (rotomould, heavy, wobbly, turtles in capsizes ...so no) and the RS500 arrived (it's an RS Vario with a jib basically, bit heavy, bit over canvassed to single hand so no) and tried a 29er too (too wobbly and powerful to single hand .. though I've seen it done) before making my mind up. Edited by NickA - 29 Mar 17 at 10:40pm |
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