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    Posted: 12 Mar 17 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by KazRob

Ah that old myth that no one sails Stars. 
There is a UK fleet in Norfolk and a few others here and there in the U.K., but it's a strong class elsewhere.

Not a myth at all. The Wroxham Stars, at least when I last saw them, seemed to be in effect just another local one design class without much connection to the world scene (although they do buy the odd second hand boat I expect). Other than that I have only ever seen one Star on the water once.

When you look at the ISAF numbers it becomes evident that there are no truly worldwide keelboat classes, they're all regional to a greater or lesser extent. There are classes in the Americas, classes with a strong European base, even Classes that are predominantly commonwealth, but true worldwide popularity, like say the Laser or Optimist, seems to elude all of them. That's why the Yngling ended up as a Olympic class. It had some kind of fleet in a a few local hotspots on more continents than any of the other choices did, and so looked like the least worst choice.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by drifter

I've never seen a Yngling or an Elliot

Have you ever *seen* a Star?


Yes, used to see them in the central Solent reasonably often. Not lately I must admit. I have see Elliots, not sure I have every seen an Yngling.

I haven't seen a Cherub or an IC recently though.
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The Elliot 6s were mainly based at Weymouth as they were  chosen as the boat for the Women's Match Racing. As you'll recall, this was going to be the BIG thing in the five ring circus, though some cynics might say that the idea was at the behest of the US who thought that they'd have sure fire golden prospects in the discipline.
Ynglings another matter - go out to mainland Europe and you'll find them sailed by lots of young ladies......

But back to the OP; Yes, by definition the Star is a keelboat, in some much that it drags around a lump of metal slung permanently under the hull (as against the Finn that can raise and lower the lump of metal). But how does this translate into a representation of the  large numbers of people who sail boats ranging from the smaller sports boats to the  super-maxis. They are every bit as much a racing community as the RS-Xs, kiteboarders, Finn or 470s sailors....but in WS terms, don't appear to be getting much in the way of recognition -  unless they think that there is a family relationship between the Star and these other boats.
I'm just glad that someone will be sorting the mess out!
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Originally posted by blueboy

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by drifter

I've never seen a Yngling or an Elliot

Have you ever *seen* a Star?


Yes, used to see them in the central Solent reasonably often. Not lately I must admit. I have see Elliots, not sure I have every seen an Yngling.

I haven't seen a Cherub or an IC recently though.

ISTR a couple of stars in Cowes about 20 years ago.
Possibly Olympic triallists or left over from the campaign?
Was there ever a proper fleet? Or did the build-up mostly occur on the continent?
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Yes, thanks for asking
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The ISAF reports are as good as one is going to get for getting some sort of picture where classes are strong. Here's the most recent Star one.

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/STA2016ClassReport-[19941].pdf

To find these go to http://www.sailing.org/classesandequipment/index.php,navigate to the class you want, click the "technical" tab, and then find class reports link.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote KazRob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 17 at 8:02pm
5500 boats worldwide isn't bad by any measure tho. Think the latest sail numbers are around 8500
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 17 at 8:07pm
I always wonder how on earth classes are supposed to get that figure (How many boats exist worldwide). I don't think any of the classes I've been involved in administration with would have a clue.
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Ah - the Stars have had a full time professional class office since the early days. The year book lists the whereabouts and owner of every boat in every fleet and any isolated members worldwide. Impressive stuff - even those in museums are listed. I do believe the guy that set it all up may have been a bit OCD and famously said that if the office ever got asked if something was allowed under the rules to say 'No - you can never be wrong if you say no initially'
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Post Options Post Options   Quote drifter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 17 at 9:06pm
There's a lovely one for sale at South Queensferry by Edinburgh. My wife and I have seen it several times, I tell her it's just a big uncapsizeable Albacore, but she won't let me buy it...
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