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    Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 11:22pm
oh er - single-hander as you ask .... 
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Originally posted by Cirrus

As it happens just started one today  ......
Icon prototype hull now otherwise redundant - cut freeboard off it to lighten it even further and reduce aero drag.  Put new lower simplified deck on it.   This narrows it considerably as well ... so add tubular wing system (rather familiar to me anyway !) but wide enough to get heeels outside of hull and add an uber lightweight carbon stick rig. 

Halo area type sail (so very much D1 / Phantom area) and then we'll see about a spinnaker.  We know the underwater profile is extremely easily driven and refined without being 'difficult' on any point of sailing and this one will plane all day up and down wind with total ease.... Been wanting to do it for years ....

No it is not commercial at all but it will show just what 'might have been' at a different time..... A fun winter project if nothing else gets in the way.....  Wink


Is this a singlehander or two up?
Sounds fun anyway.
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As it happens just started one today  ......
Icon prototype hull now otherwise redundant - cut freeboard off it to lighten it even further and reduce aero drag.  Put new lower simplified deck on it.   This narrows it considerably as well ... so add tubular wing system (rather familiar to me anyway !) but wide enough to get heeels outside of hull and add an uber lightweight carbon stick rig. 

Halo area type sail (so very much D1 / Phantom area) and then we'll see about a spinnaker.  We know the underwater profile is extremely easily driven and refined without being 'difficult' on any point of sailing and this one will plane all day up and down wind with total ease.... Been wanting to do it for years ....

No it is not commercial at all but it will show just what 'might have been' at a different time..... A fun winter project if nothing else gets in the way.....  Wink



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Blaze with a 17m2 (Topper Omega) kite. Did it this summer, brilliant but have yet to get a properly functional launch system built. A bagged kite on a singlehander is simply not practical. Still there's always next year (and maybe a trapeze too).

Either way it's totally reversible and without an extra holes or permanent fittings on the boat.


Edited by Sam.Spoons - 26 Sep 17 at 2:51pm
Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"
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So.... take an old 700 and 49er. Rip the deck off the 700 and put a flush Skiff style deck on it (or mate the 49er deck with some extensive trimming). The spinnaker can run under the deck so no sock to wear out and trip over. Attach the 9er wings and rig (minus the jib) now you have a monster! Sort of what they did for the 900 but for a 7

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I've done something not entirely dissimilar (but considerably cheaper). I've kept the Spice and bought a Blaze to combat the lack of a regular crew and get some decent racing on handicap at least (i.e. the PN is sufficiently well established that if I do badly I know it's me not the handicap).

I'll bet the 707 was fun, I assume you're somewhere not a million miles for the South Coast then? Up here pretty much the only class racing is Solos and, as I didn't fancy one of those.......
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Yup, I bang on about the PN of the Spice to the despair of some on here ;) Spice is the same length as an I14 (I believe the hull form is a pretty much a copy of an '80s I14 though I suspect more rocker) with a smaller rig and more weight (both of which make it somewhat less frisky). Like you I bought mine as my first dinghy when returning from 30 years of windsurfing. Not so much for the racing in my case and to sail on the sea so it has been perfect. What did you replace your Spice with?


Having not had good class racing (and other half seeing the challenge of tactics) I went to a Hunter 707 in 2000 where there was generally around 50 boats on the startline at every race of the season. Didn't return to dinghies again until 2011, which was initially a Solo until I realised it was only a Phantom that I fitted in.


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Yup, I bang on about the PN of the Spice to the despair of some on here ;) Spice is the same length as an I14 (I believe the hull form is a pretty much a copy of an '80s I14 though I suspect more rocker) with a smaller rig and more weight (both of which make it somewhat less frisky). Like you I bought mine as my first dinghy when returning from 30 years of windsurfing. Not so much for the racing in my case and to sail on the sea so it has been perfect. What did you replace your Spice with?
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Originally posted by Dougaldog

Sam, I have to be careful as (a) as a writer I don't want to be seen as being overtly for or against any boat or builder. It's safer to stay objective and leave the opinion casting to others who are far more interested in promoting their own view (like saying that the L 5000 was 'decades adrift': for the millionth time, stop exaggerating!) and then there is (b) - I have found myself in trouble in the past for expressing a less than enamoured view of a boat in the old TI range. I really did get my collar felt for that!

What is so easily forgotten is on how the launch of a boat - any boat - has to be seen in the context of the wider state of the sport 'at the time of the launch'. So, the idea of the twin wire Buzz had been a 'non-secret' for a number of months. I'm pretty certain that  the plan was to change the hull form from the Buzz, not hugely, but yes, there were to be changes. The rig needed beefing up and is NOT an ISO rig, the main was a much better shape than the original boat.

The Spice, certainly from the experiences with the demo boats, wasn't a bad package at all and if looked at from the viewpoint of a crew having a lot of fun, it did a pretty good job when there wasn't really that much of an alternative bar the 14s and bigger beasts.

So what happened. If I wanted to write about how NOT to launch a new dinghy, with a few names changed to protect the innocent, I'd write about the launch of the Spice. Bearing in mind, again, that stricture about everything being in its time, that bilious yellow colour was a turn off but that was nothing to the 'sales message' that was coming out of Maidsone/Ashford - 'at the time'.

Seen like this, you've got the opportunity to have more bullet proof fun ( they're pretty hard to break - I tried) at a bargain basement price - what's not to like!

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I bought a Spice myself as it is how I transferred from windsurfing to dinghy sailing.

My wife was getting bored with windsurfing as our standards were too different and invariably she would be waiting in the car while I was enjoying the waves/wind. She thought dinghies would be boring, so we looked at a Spice. The logic being I would teach her how to sail (she had never been in a dinghy before) and I would learn to helm and trapeze while teaching. That way we will be learning together.

The Spice turned out to be perfect for the job. It was one of the most fun dinghies I have ever sailed, especially in big breeze (25knots plus). The beach boat equivalent of an I14, simple, easy to sail and a lot of laughs for your pound. It was only when we started to race it more on PY that it's shortcomings as a racing boat came across. It was still fun and we did win the odd club race, but it's width, lack of length, lack of chines along with a rig that was possibly too powerful for the hull and not powerful enough for us meant the PY racing was generally unrewarding.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Sam, just buy the Boss that's on ebay! £400 no bids.....

Actually the rig would be Frankenboat material......

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Yes it would wouldn't it.......
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