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    Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 7:03pm
Thats how I look at it. I like mine... even the colour (and yes it is a yellow one). It's not exactly an ISO rig (it's slightly bigger) but ISO is a good source of used sails for the Spice (It stops being bargain basement if you have to buy new) though the kite is a bit tiddley.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 6:25pm
Sam, just buy the Boss that's on ebay! £400 no bids.....

Actually the rig would be Frankenboat material......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dougaldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 5:46pm
Sam, I have to be careful as (a) as a writer I don't want to be seen as being overtly for or against any boat or builder. It's safer to stay objective and leave the opinion casting to others who are far more interested in promoting their own view (like saying that the L 5000 was 'decades adrift': for the millionth time, stop exaggerating!) and then there is (b) - I have found myself in trouble in the past for expressing a less than enamoured view of a boat in the old TI range. I really did get my collar felt for that!

What is so easily forgotten is on how the launch of a boat - any boat - has to be seen in the context of the wider state of the sport 'at the time of the launch'. So, the idea of the twin wire Buzz had been a 'non-secret' for a number of months. I'm pretty certain that  the plan was to change the hull form from the Buzz, not hugely, but yes, there were to be changes. The rig needed beefing up and is NOT an ISO rig, the main was a much better shape than the original boat.

The Spice, certainly from the experiences with the demo boats, wasn't a bad package at all and if looked at from the viewpoint of a crew having a lot of fun, it did a pretty good job when there wasn't really that much of an alternative bar the 14s and bigger beasts.

So what happened. If I wanted to write about how NOT to launch a new dinghy, with a few names changed to protect the innocent, I'd write about the launch of the Spice. Bearing in mind, again, that stricture about everything being in its time, that bilious yellow colour was a turn off but that was nothing to the 'sales message' that was coming out of Maidsone/Ashford - 'at the time'.

Seen like this, you've got the opportunity to have more bullet proof fun ( they're pretty hard to break - I tried) at a bargain basement price - what's not to like!

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Do you know who owns the design rights to the Spice, just out of interest?

In the bad old days, lots of boats were built for 'recreational sailing' as opposed to racing.About 10,000 mirrors as a wild guess?
Still happens in yachts, people buy cruisers whcih they could race but don't.
Quite a lot of dinghies are bought by training establishments, you could sell a lot of boats but never have  a class.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 4:53pm
You are right, there are exceptions but the analogy with motorcycle racing is a good one. However one make bike race series are based on a machine that exists outside of the race series. Dinghy racers don't have a pool of existing dinghies to modify so many a modern racing sailboat is designed to be a race boat first (with some exceptions, L@ser being the obvious one) and a recreational sailboat second. (not sure that explains what I mean very well mind you)

It's in he lap of the Gods (or the manufacturer's promo budget) which boats go on to be a success. A boat generally acknowledged as a 'good' boat has a head start of course but anything coming from one of the big manufacturers has a better chance of achieving critical mass.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 4:10pm
Actually you can't do that with a great number of boats.
The designs are copyright.
If the designer won't license you to build it, you can't.
Many of course will sell you a set of plans or charge a fairly small fee.

The SMOD model is more like one-make motor(cycle) racing.
There have been series for all sorts of things, some of which die out when the vehicle goes out of production , or shortly after, some of which last longer.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 3:44pm
A certain 400 sailor has been less than complementary about the Spice too (though I believe he has, at least, sailed one). Topper (and RS/Laser) have a history of ditching classes that fail to take off, fair enough, I guess it makes sound business sense. Boss, Buzz, Iso, the Sport series and the Blaze amongst others. In some of these cases a new rights holder and/or the CA takes up the slack but with an SMOD you can't just go to your local dinghy builder and get one built to order like you can with pretty much any of the traditional classes.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dougaldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 10:02am
Sam - if you took comments or the like personally, you'd never write a word! Am sat at the big writing desk of love laughing - and trying to work on the Dinghy Show talk. I need to be careful of what I say, rumour has it that the man from Kent may be in the hall somewhere.

On another day, when my mind is wandering (as it often does these day - age!)  I must collect some of my thoughts about the untimely demise of the Spice. For a while it was on the cards that I was to be asked to campaign the works boat. As you say, a tad overweight but a cracking boat for having lots of fun. You'll get the skiff purists on here, normally from the Cherub and 14s, who will mock the boat, as they do the Laser 5000, who without ever having sailed the boat, fail to give a moments thought to the thinking behind the boat 'when it was launched'.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 9:46am
I blame my ageing memory Dougal, apologies Embarrassed. I did read and enjoy that excellent article so thank you for correcting my 'alternative' facts.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dougaldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 9:26am
Some of you posters on here really know how to make a writer feel appreciated! It is just a mere three months since this website published a lengthy, detail obituary for the great Paul Elvstom.

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/193648/Paul-Elvstr%C3%B6m,-Sailings-Greatest

Mention is made there, because I felt it important that it was included, of how Paul sailed the 505 from the wire with crew Pip Pearson sitting out. Paul was sailing the 505 before Trine was even born and at the time of him sailing with Pip, Trine would have been very young indeed.

Of course he did go on to sail with Trine, in the Tornado cat, but then she was out on the wire - so it might well be that this is one case where the 'alternative facts' are yet again proven to be wrong.

One other small point that is of little interest except for those who like to know about these things, the relationship between the FD and Contender. When I was writing 'Hooked On - The Story of the International Contender' I interviewed at length both Carl Ryves and Craig Whitworth, who were both closely associated with Bob Miller back in the early to mid 1960s. Bob had tried a couple of hull shapes for his single hander (some of which were decades ahead of their time) but needed something in a hurry as he had a potential sponsorship deal. He was sailing the FD at the time and simple 'borrowed' the shape,

Some years (make that many years) ago, UK dinghy ace Keith Paul had both an FD and a Contender, with the hulls painted in an identical fashion - red, with a white boot top. He also had a big garden. If you put the hulls upside down, with the FD much further back, from the other end of the garden both hulls looked the same size and you had to look very hard to work out which was which. Truly, 'imitation is the most sincere form of flattery'!
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