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    Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by reuben

one for the more elderly arm-chair sailor?

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Elvstrom helmed a 505 from the wire with his daughter crewing..... However too many classes, these days, seem to have pointlessly restrictive rules (was it the RS800 that disallowed the crew taking the mainsheet?).

That has just changed.
I don't think it's a pointless rule. It has just been binned as it happens.
The good thing about the rule is that it made crewing the boat less physical, as on a boat like the 800, there can be a lot of gain in pumping the main (even within the rules! ). So if you want to sell the boat to females, you don't want the gorillas to have an advantage. At the time it was seen as desirable to promote the boat as 'accessible', which means there is a point to sailing like most other boats are sailed, so people could jump in from a Fireball or 505. Or even a 400!  :-)
The was probably some gain in being different from the I14.
Not to mention the 5k and the Boss.. Always best not mentioned perhaps?
Now of course, the world has moved on a bit, for instance there are lots of people growing up with mileage in 29ers, and there are people treating the 800 as a progession towards the 49er. And the reasons above seem less relevant perhaps?
It will be interesting to see how it works out for the class, not least outside the UK.

Yes I did notice that that had changed (in a post on here IIRC). Given the sheet loads on a moderately (over?) canvased two hander I'm not sure the crew job would be all that physical and at least the crew has both hands to play the main (and I doubt it would take much more strength than playing the 21M kite off wind)? But I haven't sailed one so I really don't know. My point being that boat designers/SMOD manufacturers/rights holders/class associations (or WHY) sometimes impose rules that don't always make sense to an outsider. What if the 505 CA had had a rule preventing the helm from trapezing (though I suppose Paul Elvstrom would then have crewed and got Trine to wiggle the stick with much the same result)? 


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Me too, not surprisingly Wink . But she did have a good turn of speed in the right conditions.......

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Spice is great, love mine (others will disagree mind you). Cheap and robust but a little on the heavy side (.........

I knew a girl ike that once....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 7:19pm
Spice is great, love mine (others will disagree mind you). Cheap and robust but a little on the heavy side (156kg fully rigged!!!). It definitely qualifies as a 'Frankenboat' though being a Buzz hull with an ISO rig (more or less).....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Elvstrom helmed a 505 from the wire with his daughter crewing..... However too many classes, these days, seem to have pointlessly restrictive rules (was it the RS800 that disallowed the crew taking the mainsheet?).

That has just changed.
I don't think it's a pointless rule. It has just been binned as it happens.
The good thing about the rule is that it made crewing the boat less physical, as on a boat like the 800, there can be a lot of gain in pumping the main (even within the rules! ). So if you want to sell the boat to females, you don't want the gorillas to have an advantage. At the time it was seen as desirable to promote the boat as 'accessible', which means there is a point to sailing like most other boats are sailed, so people could jump in from a Fireball or 505. Or even a 400!  :-)
The was probably some gain in being different from the I14.
Not to mention the 5k and the Boss.. Always best not mentioned perhaps?
Now of course, the world has moved on a bit, for instance there are lots of people growing up with mileage in 29ers, and there are people treating the 800 as a progession towards the 49er. And the reasons above seem less relevant perhaps?
It will be interesting to see how it works out for the class, not least outside the UK.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Boss and 5000 predate the Spice.

Why not bung 2 traps on a boat like the Stratos?

Ah true - I had a feeling there were others but couldn't remember. Probably the 4000 too.
2 traps on a Stratos.....? Interesting idea.... Could maybe add a third to suspend a picnic hamper from?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 6:45pm
Boss and 5000 predate the Spice.

Why not bung 2 traps on a boat like the Stratos?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ColH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by Turkey Pie

As it happens that has just been changed. 

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Incidentally, I always liked the idea of the Spice. I think it was based on the Howlet 1B I14 which I sailed a new one of, "back in the day" It was definitely a handful compared with the more recently designed boats though

Spice took my eye too, back in it's early days. Age clouds the memory, but were there many other 2-wire's back then? I14, obviously (as you allude to); but it was probably well before the Cherub went that way?
Not that 2-wire, or even assymetric, means any god-given pedigree - 505 is certainly still standing the test of time.

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