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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Apart from setting the outhaul to upwind or downwind settings, my sailing is a lot like that! In the 400 I can even go whole races without touching the kicker. I don't win very often though. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Try not to concentrate on too many things at once while you are still on a learning curve. Far too many people I see who start racing are trying to do it all and it just doesnt work.
Start by concentrating on one aspect say tacking (as the biggest gains and losses at club level are usually on the windward leg). Then move on the keeping the boat at the right angle to the wind. Then move on to mark roundings (it is staggering how much you can lose on a mark rounding). Then laylines (althought his might fall in to place as part of your being at the correct angle work). Then move on to the offwind work. Of course if you sail on the lumpy stuff you might need to bring some wave sailing technique in sooner rather than later. Above all speak to your peers, especially the guys at the front of your fleet. Oh and make sure your boat is set up correctly and that your controls work. Far too many people try to learn in boats that just don't work. Imagine l;earning to drive in a car with a dodgy clutch or a sticky accelerator or dodgy brakes.....
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Fatboi ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 09 Aug 16 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 189 |
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I think set up is a crucial one. Amazed to get into some peoples boats, or borrow boats and they are miles out from optimum set up. The top guys are nearly always set up correctly, so by not being on the ball there you are immediately on the back foot.
The other thing is not getting the basics nailed. You can be in the top 20% by just doing them very well. Being on the line, at the right end Not sailing in dirty air keeping the boat flat sail set up sailing the shortest distance to the next mark
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Shortest is not always quickest. Sailing proper course to the next mark is more accurate.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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That's lots of interesting stuff. My approach to learning to sail the Blaze has been to set the rig up to the numbers, set the minor controls for the day/breeze/conditions and then concentrate on Chris' 'wiggle stick and three strings' (or one string in the case of the Blaze). Tweaking the minor controls is important for the last 2-3% but not so much for the first 97-98%.
Eric Twiname was/is indeed a god and I truly believe if every club racer was only allowed one sailing book it has to be "Start To Win"
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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For mixed fleet handicap racing buy a boat that points, it gives you all options off the start line.
Be in the ball park for the optimum weight for you chosen class. Nothing wrong with sailing with an inexperienced crew, but it is worth having a regular crew. Get reasonably fit. Embrace any coaching that is available. Use your class tuning guides. Calibrate your settings. Observe the routing of the guys with local knowledge. Sail flat. Sail often. Sail the start and some of the first beat before the start of the race ... form a plan. Keep a notebook.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Or know your opposition so you know who you can start to windward of and not get stuffed over. Traffic management in a mixed fleet is always key especially in a slower boat.
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Good point. I know all the people in my fleet and in handicap races at my club - who starts well, who points high, who luffs downwind etc. |
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My initial advice is read anything and everything, I once ploughed through some three inch thick tome called Advanced Racing Tactics it was more about offshore stuff and rhumb lines and the like and like that other book the offshoret**t wrote debunking lee bow, it was full of irrelevancies and inaccuracies to the sort of inshore tactical stuff we have to deal with, but in order to know that, you have to have experienced all manner of sailing venues, I was lucky enough to do that in my late twenties and early thirties in the quest for windsurf fame and fortune. I was also lucky enough to know Eric Twiname, in fact I kind of knew him before I knew who he actually was or indeed read STW which I still occasionally return to and check out the boaty bits. He ran a magazine and got me to write stuff in it, stuff that turned out to be ultra controversial (I advocated pumping or you'd lose, which was true, but you were not supposed to mention it.) The thing was, it was all very well moaning about others doing it, but overseas nobody applied the rules, so unless you knew what to do, a)You wouldn't know others were doing it to you (Like rocking, ooching and myriad stuff you lot all do but pretend you don't or deny it) and b)You'd never compete on a fair playing field, so we all learned, tried not to do it on home waters and used it to advantage overseas. So my advice is copy everything you see and don't be afraid of mixing it with everyone, oh and shout back if shouted at I always find adds spice to a race. (Sometimes asking them what's wrong with their sail, they love worrying about that).
Sailing is full of hypocrisy, it's also full of bullys, always has been, so knowing the wrinkles is so important and the only way you'll ever know is to travel and try to punch above your weight in arenas you might think were out of your league, so on your return to home water, it'll all seem so much tamer. The knowing how to actually do everything, how to make the boat go fast without thinking about it, whilst you look about you looking for 'angles', that comes by practise, observation and questioning, never be afraid to just ask wtf they were doing that made them so far ahead of you, some of them will tell you. However two fundamental things would help most folk, one is getting a better start than they do when they're new and the other is to work out the percentages and to always take the tack that's taking them closest to the mark. I do try and tell folk, but I'm such a hopeless sailor and must look so crap I think they honestly believe when I do get in front it's only luck and they're having a bad race themselves, but hey who cares, somebody has to people the middle and back or there would be no one to beat as long as the front changes around a bit and the same few don't always keep winning then everything's cool. My three happorth sorry it dragged on a bit. Edited by iGRF - 10 Feb 17 at 5:02pm |
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