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Sheetpuller 
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 Topic: Cadets now singlehandersPosted: 06 Jan 17 at 12:38pm |
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Well, 2017 has started in a most extraordinary way... I agree wholeheartedly with iGRF!  |
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Mark Jardine
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Joined: 12 Mar 04 Location: Milford-on-Sea, United King Online Status: Offline Posts: 1028 |
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Posted: 02 Jan 17 at 1:51pm |
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We encourage the crews to be mentioned in reports and ask for them in the guidelines. I've added in the full results for the Cadet Worlds reports and I'll talk to the author to get the crews mentioned.
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iGRF
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Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Posted: 02 Jan 17 at 12:42pm |
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True enough, but isn't that all the more reason that the newcomer gets mentioned in any results? Can't think of many sports where the other participant isn't mentioned in the case of placing. I find it extraordinary, I know my high level experience is more limited to windsurfing but I wouldn't have been happy as the front end of a tandem and not being mentioned, particularly when we'd done something spectacular. It's wrong, in my mind it would have been wrong back then in the seventies (my tandem racing period) it's even more wrong now, there are two in the boat, both play a significant role (well you do if I'm helming), both MUST be mentioned. |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 02 Jan 17 at 12:07pm |
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Face the facts.
The reality is an awful lot of two-person boats are sailed on the basis of the second person being less skilled/competitive/involved.... I've never sailed a cadet, but I recall a college friend telling me the perfect cadet crew was a small person who did very little. Were there not jokes about standing them in the bucket so they couldn't move at the wrong time? A lot of youngsters start their racing lives as more or less passengers in a two person boat, before growing to get more involved. It's actually a great stength of sailing that people can crew at club level without being that critical to the club results. Also trying to collate results for a long series where some people have a different crew every day is not possible with dodgy information. Clearly what is right for an amateur club or a fun regatta is not right for a National Championship of a serious class though. But the 'amateur' amateurs are just as important for the sport. By the way, I say this in the light of having enjoyed being the 3rd, 8th or whatever person on the boat and really not deserving a mention in the results. Can you imagine equal-ops reporting of Sigma 38s? by the time you'd listed the crew of the first boat, half the fleet would have passed by! |
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JimC
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Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Posted: 31 Dec 16 at 7:52pm |
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To an extent the press will be motivated to report crew names on the "names sell newspapers" principle, possibly even stronger for junior classes. But equally in these days of low circulation and minimal staffing, if a report comes in with the forward hands omitted, will there be the time available to go through the report and results and rewrite?
And for whoever is writing the report, leaving out half the names not only saves a bunch of typing, but also makes the report flow better and easier to write. I often have trouble getting reports to flow nicely. Listing every crew as Smith/Jones seems nasty, but equally "2nd was Smith and Jones and third was Sung and Johnson" gets horribly long winded and needs to be worked on very carefully to avoid confusion. Even worse if you need to get both given names and surnames in the mix. When doing Cherub reports it was easier because boat names are so prominent in that class, but they're about the only one these days... Edited by JimC - 31 Dec 16 at 7:53pm |
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Cirrus
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Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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Posted: 31 Dec 16 at 6:34pm |
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Hi Rupert
So I understand but it is also general point ... and it is not just associated with junior crews sadly. It could be that Y&Y takes a strong position on crews 'mentions' and naming to 'encourage' a bit more of an inclusive approach. Maybe responding when news is first received and asking the writer to add in the 'missing' names etc before it is processed further. It could really help .... We need crewing classes to prosper as in the 'old days' many started in competitive sailing via crewing in 2 crew boats. A relative decline in 2-crew boats can even be seen even against other -ve trends .... 'ignoring' the most important 'other' people in the boat does not encourage ..... Happy new year ..... Edited by Cirrus - 31 Dec 16 at 6:35pm |
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Rupert
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Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Posted: 31 Dec 16 at 5:56pm |
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Cirrus, all the crew names are there in black and white in the results, just nary a mention in the write up.
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ian.r.mcdonald
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Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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Posted: 31 Dec 16 at 3:28pm |
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I remember doing a Mirror Open on the Thames in the 60s (hms worcester?) where crews were not mentioned in the prize giving and were not called up , sounds like Cadets are still back there!
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Cirrus
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Posted: 31 Dec 16 at 2:57pm |
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Simple answer .. no crews names supplied ? Then don't publish the helms name - and only the boat number gets a mention. That should sort it all out rather quickly .... if helms do not make sure the crews name is included in any report then .... as sure as eggs are eggs the parents will !
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sargesail
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Posted: 31 Dec 16 at 1:27pm |
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East Coast bastions.
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