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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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Not that I sail them anymore but I can't help thinking its not as bad as you make out. I never had a single problem with the rudder clip, even if it didn't work then the traveller should be so tight that the rudder cannot lift. The tiller should be shaped and fitted properly, this normally means driving it in with a mallet or a lump of wood. Getting the tiller out is a bit of a pain but never had one that wants to eject itself or used a pin. Set up properly the control lines are pretty simple and can stay in place for transport. In all my years of sailing them I never bent a single top section. It was mostly caused by leaving the kicker on hard after a race, maybe I was lucky, but probably not. The foil bags aren't great, but not the worst! Perhaps the challenge of a proper compass is part of the fun? |
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piglet ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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[QUOTE= I can't help thinking its not as bad as you make out.I never had a single problem with the rudder clip, even if it didn't work then the traveller should be so tight that the rudder cannot lift. The tiller should be shaped and fitted properly, this normally means driving it in with a mallet or a lump of wood. Getting the tiller out is a bit of a pain but never had one that wants to eject itself or used a pin. Set up properly the control lines are pretty simple and can stay in place for transport. In all my years of sailing them I never bent a single top section. It was mostly caused by leaving the kicker on hard after a race, maybe I was lucky, but probably not. The foil bags aren't great, but not the worst! Perhaps the challenge of a proper compass is part of the fun? QUOTE]
+1 Sounds like you need a bit of tinker time. I put a nice shiny Laser stock into a well known foil bag and it came out corroded to buggery. Same happened with a carbon Contender mast(not the carbon obviously) Wouldn't old carpet be better? Edited by piglet - 30 Nov 16 at 9:07pm |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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If I wanted to shape my tiller to fit the stock, I could buy a wood-botherer's boat. Maybe gaff rig. Modern boats, it's a non-issue. The top mast is noticeably un-straight, and I don't even use much kicker, although to be fair, I do tend to heave the sheet in block to block. I tend to be thinking 'where an I going' when I need to be thinking a bit more about trim perhaps? I've scrounged an old skool analogue magnetic compass, well swapped it for some string! I'll probably whack it on without a spider, but that will mean re-designing the holders for the spars in the dinghy park. Looking forwards to next season already, if only to get the damn thing off the patio.... |
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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The only issues I ever had with the Laser was, heaving the mast and flapping sail into the mast pot without putting it through the deck (I have puny upper body strength) and the main sheet catching around the lip on the corner at the back. No amount of yanking on the mainsheet mid gybe seemed to resolve this.
Oh and the rudder was a bit on the small side and ridiculously raked so you got loads of weather helm Edited by JohnJack - 01 Dec 16 at 9:07am |
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Ardea ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 06 Oct 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
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Top masts bending is an issue, just many people don't notice it as it tends to do it at the plastic sleeve point. Bent top masts cause a number of issues such as low booms and/or poor leech tension. Both of these things make sailing lasers less enjoyable. I never had an issue with the rudder as I sail somewhere where you don't ever really have to lift a laser rudder!
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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Sailing block to block is a given, you need to be able to. You will also need a lot of kicker as the wind gets up. Even so, I still never managed to bend a mast. Actually, that's a slight lie, I once bent a bottom section at deck level.
The alternative to shaping your tiller is to buy one from rooster, cst or someone else... They all tend to fit better and be much stiffer. I preferred the rooster one because it didn't hit the traveller cleat so much. The CST one used to be so thin that it flexed up and down which meant it could tap the cleat occasionally which was annoying. I don't really see how you plan to mount the compass without the spider. Not without putting the boat out of class. It's amazing how few people bother with one at all, perhaps try that. It sounds like you are going into this with a very negative stance, why did you buy a Laser?
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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I bent a couple of top sections but never broke them like a lot did. But I did break two bottom sections....
In the old days people used to attach the Silva big ball compass straight to the deck. I thought the spider only came about cos people didn't want to damage the boat |
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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No, the spider is there because it is illegal to add extra hull fittings. That's just a "laser-ism".
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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must have been a lot of illegal lasers 30 years ago then. But then it was the days before replica sails so something had to be illegal I guess. I remember them on a lot where the rails were screwed to the deck and the compass then slid into them. Mind you I don't know anyone who bothered to read the class rules back then either...
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