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 Topic: The Foiling 101Posted: 29 Nov 16 at 9:52pm |
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Dinghy Anarchy is crap:
The day I nearly hiked my Aero. Fire Arrow: The foiled that can't be photographed. Why Moths sailors are better than y'all. The Laser Game. The Official SHC Love In. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 30 Nov 16 at 8:30am |
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I'm not much of a fan of SA either, I dip in now and then but there's too much trolling and, being US based, it doesn't seem to reflect the UK dinghy scene (as one would expect). There are intelligent, polite and even (occasionally) humorous posters though so it's not entirely without merit.
Given that the US is many times larger than the UK it's not surprising that SA gets more posts than this place. Also there's a difference between voicing a strong opinion and trolling, most here manage to do the former without resorting to the latter.
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iGRF
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Posted: 30 Nov 16 at 10:35am |
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We seem to have turned this thread into a general discussion about as distant from the 101 as can be had, regarding Dinghy Anarchy most of the things I'm interested in, boats to sail, events, handicap, clubs etc are UK based and irrelevant to that forum which is largely US based.
I dare say there is interest in the f101 if only to use it as a stick with which to bait Doug Lord, who imv gets far too much abuse from the retards that inhabit the place, so I find it irritating and don't go there too often, if I want that environment then the international kite forum can deliver that in spades, similarly I don't go there too often other than to use my Gay ID to wind up the PC brigade whilst promoting my products using a reverse critical process. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 30 Nov 16 at 11:01am |
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because there's really not a lot to say about it.... 1) it looks great 2) we'd probably all like a go in clement conditions, foiling bucket list ticking exercise 3) none of us are daft enough to actually buy one and most would be too tight fisted to pay a few hundred quid to even ride one for an afternoon at a hire centre, if such a thing existed. Conclusion - it's probably not aimed at recreational racers anyway. If they shift 100 units globally, that's £1.5m in revenue until appetite wains and the next best thing comes along. Why worry about nonsensical historical crap like classes, handicaps, UK sailors and their 'weird mindset' that can either sink or swim when developing a sense of communal identity? Do we want to focus on point 3 and what that actually means for this concept? No thanks - be accused of small-mindedness, have the term 'troll' levelled at you, be told the answer is 'go sailing more' like we're all retired and running our sailing through dubious cash based businesses above the line etc... when it's glaringly obvious it's too f**king expensive for the standard dinghy pleb, probably far too quick for most places we all sail at and in reality, will probably bomb in the face of an established foiling class like the Moth and A-Class for those of a competitive-enough mind. As for Dinghy Anarchy.... it's just a love in for US Aeros now isn't it? At least RS are getting ROI in sponsoring it and that's good for their exports and British marine business as a whole. Edited by turnturtle - 30 Nov 16 at 11:38am |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 30 Nov 16 at 11:36am |
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I've only posted a couple of times on SA since that *&^%% Clean went so low as to abuse the Bart's widow for daring to take care of her fatherless child. I should have got out earlier. No wonder the sport is doing poorly when such a negative site is one of the main mouthpieces. SA paints itself as the answer to the sport's ills when it is in fact a symptom and a cause, IMHO.
There's yet another thread there recently bemoaning the supposed lack of kids in the sport. Every bit of information I can dig up indicates that more kids sail dinghies than ever before - it's the 30-somethings who have dropped out. Blaming the success stories is SA's stock in trade.
Having said that, I think it was on SA that someone brought up the issue of recovering the 101 from a turtle. That was a problem with all the small tri's I've sailed (Supernova, Bethwaite HSP, Dugout, Windrider) and it would be interesting to get an answer. Apart from that, TT and others have pretty much wrapped the boat up. It looks fun, it's probably very nicely designed, and it's damn pretty. But will it sell? One of the most interesting bits of information to come out of the last round of foiler press release mania was that the Flying Phantom has only sold 100 boats in a year or two (or three??) which once again shows that foiling has completely failed to grab the popular market. Edited by Chris 249 - 30 Nov 16 at 11:44am |
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 30 Nov 16 at 2:39pm |
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I guess they will have to flood a tank like the WETA does to recover from turtle.
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 30 Nov 16 at 2:43pm |
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more to do with economic uncertainty, I would have thought. + The Moths have dragged most foil desired sailors toward them. High performance sailing basically cannibalises it's market to achieve class take up. ++ a foiling Cat is somehow TEN times more scary when it goes wrong (to me anyway) than a Moth.
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getafix
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Posted: 04 Dec 16 at 1:20pm |
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To me, its a car you buy for track days... not something you plan to ever sit inside while queueing in a rainy traffic jam, a fact of life as unavoidable in Britain as Solos, L*sers and 2000's getting in your way with less than 1 minute to go on an average club line :-)
sorry to say, if I could drop £15k on a "luxury" like this then a foiling boat is well down the list having spent a third of that on a great boat I can get a grin out of at least 8 times out of 10 I go sailing I would really have to question "why" if I had my pen hovering over the chequebook (so to speak) |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 05 Dec 16 at 12:22am |
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Agree with all that, but the hypesters were implying that there would be plenty of sailors willing to buy hundreds of foiling cats and thousands of foiling Moths despite the economic uncertainty, which is the sort of thing that any reasonable and sober analysis of the future of the sport would factor in. The concept that the high performance classes basically cannibalise each other does seem to apply, which is why one would think that they would be better off supporting and promoting the other classes to increase the overall size of the sport and therefore the number of people who may move to high performance sailing. It makes the current fad of some high-po marketers denigrating the mass-market classes look even sillier.
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Posted: 05 Dec 16 at 8:55am |
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I'd love to know the age group of the people posting on this, as a teenager on Guernsey I got into sailing because I wanted to go as fast as I could over the water insomething that looked cool. My Dad built a Fireball and I was hooked, actually there were some Ospreys as well (a bit faster) but I didn't think they looked as cool. If RS800's had been about - then I'd have tried to get a ride on one of those, if fiolers had been about, yes please, and if foiling kitesurfing had een about - wooohooo. Now I'm much older and wiser I still hate sailing a slower boat, yes I know they can be technically demanding and the class racing can be great and some of the sailors there are just awesome, but I'm not a great sailor and I still like just going as fast as I can. I'm sure I'm not alone in this hence everynow and again, new boats come along that grab the 'youf' attention and a few oldies get in as well for good measure. If I lived by the sea - I would love a crack in the101, like the guy said about track cars - would I want one permananently - not sure - but I'm afraid there is a place for this type of boat and yes it does dilute the mainstream.
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