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    Posted: 22 Nov 16 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by Cirrus

.....or just relegate the offending item to storing spare stuff than never ever leaves that dry garage.

Or throw it in the loft and hope to remember it when you sell the boat....
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Originally posted by RS400atC

A pointless list of things that really annoy me about my Laser
The rudder clip doesn't hold the rudder on
You have the choice between a tiller that ejects from the rudder stock when you release the rudder downhaul, or a wobbly tiller if you put a pin in.
The self bailer is a joke
It's more of a faff to rig than most boats with 3 sails, you spend ages fiddling with bits of string to get over the control systems being a silly compromise to appease class rules.
The mast has bent a little in normal use, so it's technically out of class.
The Laser-branded bag for the foils is designed never to dry out
I need to buy a mechanical compass because the TackTick I already have isn't allowed.

Maybe it's no surprise people are buying Solutions, Solos and Supernovas?



Not that I sail them anymore but I can't help thinking its not as bad as you make out.

I never had a single problem with the rudder clip, even if it didn't work then the traveller should be so tight that the rudder cannot lift. 

The tiller should be shaped and fitted properly, this normally means driving it in with a mallet or a lump of wood. Getting the tiller out is a bit of a pain but never had one that wants to eject itself or used a pin.

Set up properly the control lines are pretty simple and can stay in place for transport.

In all my years of sailing them I never bent a single top section. It was mostly caused by leaving the kicker on hard after a race, maybe I was lucky, but probably not.

The foil bags aren't great, but not the worst!

Perhaps the challenge of a proper compass is part of the fun?


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[QUOTE= I can't help thinking its not as bad as you make out.I never had a single problem with the rudder clip, even if it didn't work then the traveller should be so tight that the rudder cannot lift. The tiller should be shaped and fitted properly, this normally means driving it in with a mallet or a lump of wood. Getting the tiller out is a bit of a pain but never had one that wants to eject itself or used a pin. Set up properly the control lines are pretty simple and can stay in place for transport. In all my years of sailing them I never bent a single top section. It was mostly caused by leaving the kicker on hard after a race, maybe I was lucky, but probably not. The foil bags aren't great, but not the worst! Perhaps the challenge of a proper compass is part of the fun? QUOTE]
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Sounds like you need a bit of tinker time.
I put a nice shiny Laser stock into a well known foil bag and it came out corroded to buggery.
Same happened with a carbon Contender mast(not the carbon obviously)
Wouldn't old carpet be better?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 16 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by laser193713

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The tiller should be shaped and fitted properly, this normally means driving it in with a mallet or a lump of wood. Getting the tiller out is a bit of a pain but never had one that wants to eject itself or used a pin.

Set up properly the control lines are pretty simple and can stay in place for transport.

In all my years of sailing them I never bent a single top section. It was mostly caused by leaving the kicker on hard after a race, maybe I was lucky, but probably not.

The foil bags aren't great, but not the worst!

Perhaps the challenge of a proper compass is part of the fun?



If I wanted to shape my tiller to fit the stock, I could buy a wood-botherer's boat. Maybe gaff rig.
Modern boats, it's a non-issue.
The top mast is noticeably un-straight, and I don't even use much kicker, although to be fair, I do tend to heave the sheet in block to block. I tend to be thinking 'where an I going' when I need to be thinking a bit more about trim perhaps?
I've scrounged an old skool analogue magnetic compass, well swapped it for some string! I'll probably whack it on without a spider, but that will mean re-designing the holders for the spars in the dinghy park.
Looking forwards to next season already, if only to get the damn thing off the patio....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JohnJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 16 at 9:06am
The only issues I ever had with the Laser was, heaving the mast and flapping sail into the mast pot without putting it through the deck (I have puny upper body strength) and the main sheet catching around the lip on the corner at the back. No amount of yanking on the mainsheet mid gybe seemed to resolve this.

Oh and the rudder was a bit on the small side and ridiculously raked so you got loads of weather helm


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Top masts bending is an issue, just many people don't notice it as it tends to do it at the plastic sleeve point.  Bent top masts cause a number of issues such as low booms and/or poor leech tension. Both of these things make sailing lasers less enjoyable.  I never had an issue with the rudder as I sail somewhere where you don't ever really have to lift a laser rudder!
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Sailing block to block is a given, you need to be able to. You will also need a lot of kicker as the wind gets up. Even so, I still never managed to bend a mast. Actually, that's a slight lie, I once bent a bottom section at deck level. 

The alternative to shaping your tiller is to buy one from rooster, cst or someone else... They all tend to fit better and be much stiffer. I preferred the rooster one because it didn't hit the traveller cleat so much. The CST one used to be so thin that it flexed up and down which meant it could tap the cleat occasionally which was annoying.

I don't really see how you plan to mount the compass without the spider. Not without putting the boat out of class. It's amazing how few people bother with one at all, perhaps try that.

It sounds like you are going into this with a very negative stance, why did you buy a Laser?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 16 at 12:35pm
I bent a couple of top sections but never broke them like a lot did. But I did break two bottom sections....

In the old days people used to attach the Silva big ball compass straight to the deck. I thought the spider only came about cos people didn't want to damage the boat
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No, the spider is there because it is illegal to add extra hull fittings. That's just a "laser-ism".


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Originally posted by laser193713

No, the spider is there because it is illegal to add extra hull fittings. That's just a "laser-ism".



must have been a lot of illegal lasers 30 years ago then. But then it was the days before replica sails so something had to be illegal I guess. I remember them on a lot where the rails were screwed to the deck and the compass then slid into them. Mind you I don't know anyone who bothered to read the class rules back then either...
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