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    Posted: 19 Nov 16 at 8:50pm
Good post Chris, we want the newbs to see sailing as a sport that is exciting but achievable by the normal person not just something for the athletic elite. I think I have found my level (dinghy sailor for 50+ years) in a dumbed down twin trapeze (nearly) skiff and a unarig singlehander with big racks. I doubt I could sail a 49er or Musto but I still enjoy a challenge so my compromise suits me. Those of us who sail know there are dinghies available to suit all levels and aspirations but we need to get that over to the non-sailing public.

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"What I think is" more speed does not directly relate to more fun. Is it not the sensation of speed which really gives the buzz? 

There is by some a search for "easy to achieve speed" to my mind this is a slightly flawed quest. If it's easy where's the buzz and satisfaction. Of course, nobody would deny the benefit of good ergonomics and efficient designs, but easy? meaning minimal skill required?
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Originally posted by Do Different

There is by some a search for "easy to achieve speed" to my mind this is a slightly flawed quest. If it's easy where's the buzz and satisfaction. Of course, nobody would deny the benefit of good ergonomics and efficient designs, but easy? meaning minimal skill required?

Sounds perfect for much of the younger generation (and a fair proportion of the older gen too)  Ermm
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Really? So. Nobody young wants a challenge, to feel they have accomplished something, have a sport/hobby/pass time that keeps bringing them back to learn more and get better, to feel part of dynamic thing? 
Are we breeding all passengers and takers now?
In the words of the song "I've reached the top and had to stop and that's what's bothering me".
 
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Edit. Clarification, I of course haven't reached the top, probably beginning on the way down now but still don't want to stop. Having to try and gain more skill to offset, less agility, an arthritic wrist and the biological fact of falling muscle mass. The fun is in the trying, not that I'm a fan of falling over, in fact about as hydrophobic as a cat but still like to think (delude myself) that my input is more than that of a mere passenger along for the ride.
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Originally posted by Do Different

Really? So. Nobody young wants a challenge, to feel they have accomplished something, have a sport/hobby/pass time that keeps bringing them back to learn more and get better, to feel part of dynamic thing? 
Are we breeding all passengers and takers now?
In the words of the song "I've reached the top and had to stop and that's what's bothering me".
 

But surely lots of sailors can get more than enough challenge, accomplishment and learning from trying to sail "seahuggers". Isn't there just as much challenge in doing something even better as there is in trying to do something new? Doing something as ancient as (for example) singing or running is still challenging - so is sailing a Solo better than you did last week, no?

There's also the issue that there can be a lot of frustration if you try to take up a challenge that doesn't really work with your basic personal life, such as trying to sail a foiler well if you live and sail somewhere where the winds are light and fluky. And since these craft aren't cheap, most of us will have to give up something else - often something that offers other challenges - to afford them. 

Finally, a sport can be dynamic in ways apart from developing and using new high-performance kit. 


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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Good post Chris, we want the newbs to see sailing as a sport that is exciting but achievable by the normal person not just something for the athletic elite. I think I have found my level (dinghy sailor for 50+ years) in a dumbed down twin trapeze (nearly) skiff and a unarig singlehander with big racks. I doubt I could sail a 49er or Musto but I still enjoy a challenge so my compromise suits me. Those of us who sail know there are dinghies available to suit all levels and aspirations but we need to get that over to the non-sailing public.

Cheers, and I think the last bit is vital, and we need to do that without implying that the older types are inferior.
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