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KazRob ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Oct 16 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 245 |
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It's a fair point but generally I have found (being trans myself) that a little common courtesy and mutual respect can sort out most of this out.
The RYA has some new transgender guidance out (http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/hr-administration/administration/Equality/RYA%20Diversity%20and%20Inclusion%20Guidance%20-%20Trans%20people.pdf) that I was pleased to have a tiny involvement with and covers the changing room thing quite well. It should be remembered that this can be as awkward a subject for the trans person as for anybody else and few people really want to make others or themselves feel uncomfortable or embarrassed. The RYA suggest if the club has disabled facilities that can be an option or providing a curtained off area if possible and point out that this may also be helpful for other such as families where a parent may need to help change their children of the opposite sex for instance. Failing that a toilet cubicle can always be used. Not ideal but better than not going sailing. From my experience getting changed to go sailing is rarely a problem with a bit of planning but it's the getting changed back out of sailing gear once you are wet that can need a bit of thought for the trans person on how best to navigate this. This gets a whole deal harder for the trans person who wants to do open events at clubs they don't know well but it is entirely possible without undue stress with a little forethought and respect for others. As I've said before most club members will soon work out that the trans person just wants to go sailing with as little hassle and as much fun as possible just like all the other members and a practical solution is usually found that is fair and respectful to all. |
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blueboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 512 |
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I find it fairly unlikely that someone in the process of gender reassignment would much want to use public showers. It isn't entirely necessary to shower before changing and driving home, windsurfers operating from beaches do it all the time. On a more practical note, it is now common for men to bring young daughters into male changing rooms and this does make me wonder if they expect the rest of us to keep our bits out of display while the girls are there. My assumption is that they do not but it does make me slightly uncomfortable. |
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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At one clunb I was a member we encouraged fathers with young daughters t ouse the disabled shower room. This gave them the privacy and everyone was comfortable witth this.
A lot of clubs now have this facility so there is this option available.
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piglet ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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We have Fathers with young daughters in the mens at our club, it really isn't an issue if everyone is respectful.
I have always argued for maintaining open changing rooms because it's friendlier, space efficient and actually safer for children because everyone can see what everyone else is doing.
That said I think cubicles will be the future as the next generation of sailors are unnacustomed to the group nudity that us older sailors would have taken for the norm at school.
My sons & their piers all shower with boxers on when in together whilst the old geezers are without.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Totally agree. Funny isn't it, we 1970's and 80's kids have no problems with nudity in changing rooms (I'm counting rugby, football and sailing) but generation X, who probably have more <potential> exposure to nudity than ever before online and in the media are squeemish about showering naked and would probably run a mile if they saw the communal bath I notice is no longer a fixture of football or rugby changing rooms nowadays but was commanplace when I was playing regularly |
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Jamie600 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 14 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 718 |
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We have just had our clubhouse renovated thanks to an inspired facilities grant. The clubhouse is also shared with various schools groups and we had to include a third changing room, notionally for disabled use but also for situations where you could have say, a group of students and an instructor who cannot get changed together. Another club I visited recently plan to do the same when they renovate. When you think about it, it's something that has to be done in this day and age
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Another indication of political correctness gone mad again. While this subject is shifting away from the original point, the issue of changing rooms is one that causes all sorts of agro but really shouldn't. I'm not a naturist but we are all human beings. We all know what the opposite sex looks like so why is it an issue? Until my daughter was able to change herself at the swimming pool I always took her into the gents changing room and didn't use the cubicles. At the sailing club the same situation although we don't have cubicles there. When my son goes swimming and my wife takes him, then he changes in the ladies changing rooms.
I think most parents know the right time to allow their children to fend for themselves. As for transgender people, then I guess it's a bit more of an issue. Interestingly I know of at least four, but have never asked how they deal with it, but the RYA advice seems sensible enough. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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I would have thought open plan would be the sensible option for mixed age male or female groups. I can't see an issue with pre-school children getting changed in opposite gender changing rooms, adults who have an issue can wait to use facilities.
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blueboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 512 |
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My "issue" is that I don't know whether the father has an "issue" with my continuing to use the changing room in the normal way when his girls are present. I don't personally have a hang-up with nudity. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Speaking as a father with a son and a daughter they came in the mens changing with me when they were too young to go on their own and I never had any issues nor did they. Both my wife and I took them swimming every week with the same approach. Like all small children they provided good entertainment as putting on (or taking off) any sports kit (i.e. a wetsuit) is a major occasion requiring their constant commentary, with funny vocab limits, rather than a run-of-the-mill part of getting changed as it is for them now! |
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