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    Posted: 03 Nov 16 at 11:18am
Thanks, that's good to know.
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Originally posted by 423zero

I can't see an issue with pre-school children getting changed in opposite gender changing rooms, adults who have an issue can wait to use facilities.


My "issue" is that I don't know whether the father has an "issue" with my continuing to use the changing room in the normal way when his girls are present. I don't personally have a hang-up with nudity.


Speaking as a father with a son and a daughter they came in the mens changing with me when they were too young to go on their own and I never had any issues nor did they.  Both my wife and I took them swimming every week with the same approach.

Like all small children they provided good entertainment as putting on (or taking off) any sports kit (i.e. a wetsuit) is a major occasion requiring their constant commentary, with funny vocab limits, rather than a run-of-the-mill part of getting changed as it is for them now!
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Originally posted by 423zero

I can't see an issue with pre-school children getting changed in opposite gender changing rooms, adults who have an issue can wait to use facilities.


My "issue" is that I don't know whether the father has an "issue" with my continuing to use the changing room in the normal way when his girls are present. I don't personally have a hang-up with nudity.
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I would have thought open plan would be the sensible option for mixed age male or female groups.
I can't see an issue with pre-school children getting changed in opposite gender changing rooms, adults who have an issue can wait to use facilities.
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Another indication of political correctness gone mad again. While this subject is shifting away from the original point, the issue of changing rooms is one that causes all sorts of agro but really shouldn't. I'm not a naturist but we are all human beings. We all know what the opposite sex looks like so why is it an issue? Until my daughter was able to change herself at the swimming pool I always took her into the gents changing room and didn't use the cubicles. At the sailing club the same situation although we don't have cubicles there. When my son goes swimming and my wife takes him, then he changes in the ladies changing rooms.
I think most parents know the right time to allow their children to fend for themselves.
As for transgender people, then I guess it's a bit more of an issue. Interestingly I know of at least four, but have never asked how they deal with it, but the RYA advice seems sensible enough.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jamie600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 16 at 5:49pm
We have just had our clubhouse renovated thanks to an inspired facilities grant. The clubhouse is also shared with various schools groups and we had to include a third changing room, notionally for disabled use but also for situations where you could have say, a group of students and an instructor who cannot get changed together. Another club I visited recently plan to do the same when they renovate. When you think about it, it's something that has to be done in this day and age
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Originally posted by piglet

We have Fathers with young daughters in the mens at our club, it really isn't an issue if everyone is respectful.
I have always argued for maintaining open changing rooms because it's friendlier, space efficient and actually safer for children because everyone can see what everyone else is doing.
That said I think cubicles will be the future as the next generation of sailors are unnacustomed to the group nudity that us older sailors would have taken for the norm at school.
My sons & their piers all shower with boxers on when in together whilst the old geezers are without.


Totally agree.

Funny isn't it, we 1970's and 80's kids have no problems with nudity in changing rooms (I'm counting rugby, football and sailing) but generation X, who probably have more <potential> exposure to nudity than ever before online and in the media are squeemish about showering naked and would probably run a mile if they saw the communal bath I notice is no longer a fixture of football or rugby changing rooms nowadays but was commanplace when I was playing regularly
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We have Fathers with young daughters in the mens at our club, it really isn't an issue if everyone is respectful.
I have always argued for maintaining open changing rooms because it's friendlier, space efficient and actually safer for children because everyone can see what everyone else is doing.
That said I think cubicles will be the future as the next generation of sailors are unnacustomed to the group nudity that us older sailors would have taken for the norm at school.
My sons & their piers all shower with boxers on when in together whilst the old geezers are without.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 16 at 12:57pm
At one clunb I was a member we encouraged fathers with young daughters  t ouse the disabled shower room. This gave them the privacy and everyone was comfortable witth this.
 
A lot of clubs now have this facility so there is this option available.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 16 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by Phil_1193


Should the RYA (and other sporting bodies) suggest there is a male, female, non gender specific and childrens changing rooms and showers?  Or should we all muck in together?


I find it fairly unlikely that someone in the process of gender reassignment would much want to use public showers. It isn't entirely necessary to shower before changing and driving home, windsurfers operating from beaches do it all the time.

On a more practical note, it is now common for men to bring young daughters into male changing rooms and this does make me wonder if they expect the rest of us to keep our bits out of display while the girls are there. My assumption is that they do not but it does make me slightly uncomfortable.
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