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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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I see the moth bunch didn't really bother, I don't blame them really, especially with the handicap GWSC gave them....
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Needs to sail more...
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Eh; yes they did not bother. The handicap is 60 points better than the Hayling Handicap. Hayling sail them off 690 and they still win. |
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Sprint Bob ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 314 |
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166 boats entered, both races were sailed for all classes in a little more wind than was forecast and the results were on the Grafham website by 6pm. Pretty good eh? A little more wind would have been even better! Cheers Bob |
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aardvark_issues ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jul 05 Location: Weston-Super-Mare Online Status: Offline Posts: 505 |
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1, Simon is the best in the country, 2 he only sails when conditions suit him. Across the fleet most of us struggle to sail to RS800 handicap so far! I'm sure our handicap is going to end up pretty fast, but just pre-emptively changing it based on one single persons results is a bit odd. |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Not so. It was changed as a result of performance at Grafham. The Main driver was the DoE.
Ian Fosdyke won the Duke of Ed handicap event at Grafham in Sept. He won it despite capsizing in EVERY race at least once. He was racing on something like 850. The club re-calculated the results on 750 and he woud still have been second. It was a fairly windy event. How can ANY boat be near the front of the race having capsized in every race. I was sailing in the same regatta, did not capsize at all and Ian was in front of me in every race. I was sailing on 690. As for sailing when the conditions suit. Welcome to the cat sailing handicap problem. We know we will do well when it's windy and know we'll be screwed when it's not. As soon as a Moth is foiling, it should be be on 690 (IMO); when it's not foiling it's stuffed just like a Catamaran is before we get going. Moths foil in about 7-8 kts, most races will be more than 7kts. Thus I think 750 is more than fair (considering a Moth would still have come 2nd in the Grafham club champs having capsized at least once in every race). Edited by Scooby_simon |
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giraffe ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 148 |
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A capsize may lose you 60 seconds. You might win a handicap race by 2 minutes. Therefore you can capsize and win. If a capsize costs you 10 minutes and you still win that might be an issue. Why cant a moth be allowed to win without having its handicap changed? It seems to be perfectly allowable for either the Fireball or Merlin Rocket!
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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It was under review anyway. Some moth sailors are quite happy to claim the boat is fast as a Tornado, but then some moth sailors moan when the handicap drops. Cannot have t both ways. And the PY is always a compromise. YOu never see Cats winning light wind races as they don't go in lignt winds. The Moth won't either. Both Cats and Moths PY's move towards their higher wind performance because of the way the PY formula deals with performance that is below the current PY. Edited by Scooby_simon |
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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Glad to see that the 14s had good success. Even when they're in the slowest conditions for the class
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MRJP BUZZ 585 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1496 |
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Isn't it slow conditions for every class ![]() ![]() |
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