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turnturtle 
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true, but the transcript says allowing lesbians would ruin the reputation of the club.... so I'm assuming this is a typical taster day at a typical club with a dinghy section.
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 12:19pm |
Come ON.. this is bullsh*t.. If that had happened it would have been all over the media, it's exactly the sort of propaganda that is causing such a disservice to the lgbt cause. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 12:23pm |
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Well if it is BS, then it doesn't exactly frame the RYA in a good light does it?
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transient
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 12:28pm |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 12:34pm |
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indeed - thank you for sharing it. But it does rather support Grumpf's view that this is a non-issue or one of very limited real world impact here in the UK sailing club scene, if the RYA have to make up case studies?
To what and whose benefit would something like this be made up? What is the justification for producing such resources? Surely that's political correctness and jobsworths gone too far? And in highlighting a 'non-issue', they are actually putting off otherwise interested people who quite rightly, would assume no one gives a rat's arse about their sexuality on a 'try sailing' open day?
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winging it
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 12:34pm |
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It's not the sport of sailing that may or may not be homophobic, it's the individuals that take part - just like any walk of life. In any club or organisation there will be members who are homophobic, racist, sexist etc, but in most cases these days these people will hide their opinions as it is no longer socially acceptable to air them.
I am an openly gay sailor, by which I mean I happily refer to my partner as female, indeed in both clubs we go to we have family membership. For us it has never been a problem, as far as we know. For some time now I have been training Principal at my preferred club. In that key role I have never heard or seen anything that might offend me. I will, however, pull both students and instructors up short if I hear 'gay' or similar being used as terms of abuse, just as I would if I heard them saying anything racist or sexist. So really, little or no experience of homophobia. But I do still find that there are individuals who believe I am incapable of knowing how to rig, tune, sail, launch boats. They will literally take things off me and do them for me, whilst making sure I understand - by using simple terms for me - how they should be done. This has been done by people on my training courses, while I am instructing them! Unfortunately sexism is still prevalent, though definitely improving. As I said, I don't doubt that there is homophobia in sailing, as in all sports, but I believe that society is policing itself to force the perpetrators into the closet, rather than the victims. |
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the same, but different...
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transient
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 12:41pm |
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As I said earlier some clubs are more liberal than others. Thankfully there's one close to me, Good members and good friends.
But for goodness sake get real. Homophobia and all the other isms exist in this country. It is not uncommon, in fact I would say bigotry is on the rise currently. Fact: some of those bigots sail boats and belong to clubs. What's not to understand? Any sport that takes members from the general population has a proportion of racists, and homophobes joining up. Looking at other sports it seems some have major problems. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 12:51pm |
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indeed - I think that is universally accepted by all posting here.
But is that justification for the RYA to falsify case studies, as indicated in this thread; thus suggesting our problem is somehow greater than the one facing wider society???
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transient
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 1:46pm |
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In general a sport (or any other organisation) can be considered homophobic, racist or sexist or whatever or not. It depends on how the governing body deals with the bigots within it's membership, some of whom may be in key positions. Does it collude, make token gestures or come down like a ton of bricks?
At the moment the RYA seems to have (all I could find) a general equality policy covering isms and a specific one for Trans issues. I don't know if that is sufficient as I'm not qualified to make a judgement. Do they have an Officer or committee that deals specifically with these issues? I dunno If, as some of you are saying, the case study is falsified (big accusation without proof) then I would say that the RYA are dealing with it clumsily. If True then fair enough. I reiterate: Video posted as found Edited by transient - 31 Oct 16 at 1:51pm |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 2:02pm |
agreed, 100%. I guess I'm torn on whether it's falsified or not. On the one hand, it must be true, because if it isn't, then it's damn stupid and as you say, 'clumsy', and imho, downright counterproductive! On the other, I'm cynical and find it implausible that someone at a club would be so bigoted on a try sailing day.... and as Graeme says, it would surely have made some news feeds - be that sailing, equality rights and quite probably, mainstream media. I guess we'll go with the benefit of the doubt.... it's on youtube therefore it must be true.
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