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    Posted: 29 Oct 16 at 5:38pm
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 to bigots like GRF not having to face the fact that their internalised  bigotry is not  the reality of the world or what wider society  accepts  as within the realms of normal ... 

Massively unsurprised by that post from GRF. Ever since he nailed his colours to the mast with this, I've long thought that he's resigned from any right to be considered a decent human being. 

 really does sum it up ... 

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Grumpf, if you don't know that there is prejudice against LGBTI people then you are wilfully blind.


It is sad to see several posters here have rejected independent studies that, while maybe imperfect, are almost certainly objectively more accurate than the posters' own opinions or their impression of the skewed sample of people from one website. It seems like a classic indication of the way that bias works, whether against LGBTI people or other groups.


Edited by Chris 249 - 29 Oct 16 at 11:53pm
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I'm getting "Page not found" from that link you posted earlier so can't comment.

There is an ongoing government inquiry in Homophobia in Sport. Don't know when the report will be published.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/homophobia-in-sport-launch-15-16/


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Just read this thread through, and it strikes me as heated debate about an issue that isn't.
I work in an industrial environment where all views are expressed openly and would offend most, but it is in a closed workshop and just hot air.
There are small minded people around but most of us will treat each other with respect.
Banter does not necessitate bigotry but there is a time & a place.
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Originally posted by transient

I'm getting "Page not found" from that link you posted earlier so can't comment.

There is an ongoing government inquiry in Homophobia in Sport. Don't know when the report will be published.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/homophobia-in-sport-launch-15-16/

There's some problem with linking to that page. The paper can also be found at


I'm not saying that any of the papers I checked are perfectly accurate, or that their methodology is flawless. However, this and other studies would be a hell of a lot more accurate than people relying on their gut feeling of their recollections of what others have said on a site that presents an inaccurate representation of the community.  The tendency for people to discard data that doesn't fit their bigoted views is part of the problem for the LGBTI community and others.





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I too work in an industrial environment, I suffer from epilepsy some of the people I work with think it is acceptable to crack an old joke, " what do you do if an epileptic has a fit in the bath, throw in some washing ", "Banter"? 
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Originally posted by rich96

This thread serves no real purpose now

Its got nothing to do with our sport


When the Commodore of a sailing club is making the kind of remarks he's making here, it has everything to do with sailing

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Had never considered the sexulality of recreational sailors to be an issue until someone started this thread ... 
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Originally posted by Chris 249






Grumpf, if you don't know that there is prejudice against LGBTI people then you are wilfully blind.
It is sad to see several posters here have rejected independent studies that, while maybe imperfect, are almost certainly objectively more accurate than the posters' own opinions or their impression of the skewed sample of people from one website. It seems like a classic indication of the way that bias works, whether against LGBTI people or other groups.


Chris, I didn't reject the study, I queried how it was possible to get accurate information in such a way as to be able to "rank" countries. Maybe I didn't put things quite right. Yes, the studies are likely to be more accurate than my views, but that doesn't make them infallible.

Yes, I'm sure there are issues, no, I don't think they are any bigger in sailing than they are in society as a whole. People who sail can do their part, working as a small cog in a large society, to promote inclusively and to try and ensure everyone feels welcome at a club, whether they be gay, straight, black, white, christian, Muslim, or for or against brexit.






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