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    Posted: 20 Oct 16 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by zippyRN



 where are the side markers on a 'traditional' trailer  

 

Irrelevant. 

They don't have to be there on an older, non type approved, stealth trailer :)
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Originally posted by zippyRN

 rather like some of th e trailers designed for carrying RHIBs and Cathedral Hull Dories you mean ?

Dunno, I'm not really familiar with such things, and least said the better really. Don't want to find myself quoted in a civil service paper as "sailors indicated this sort of improved design would be practical and acceptable".
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Originally posted by Noah

 

So the question to the insurance co / ombudsman would be how is the damage / loss any different due to the positioning of the lighting board? If they dig their heels in, just take them to court. It will not be worth their while to defend it so they'll fold.
 

trailer used outside it;s type approval = Offence 

trailer not  displaying required side marker lights and /or reflectors  = offence 

visibility and conspiculity of  vehicles has been a significant issue  of late and  if you look atthe changes  in the past decade or so -  e.g. side marker lights on XLWB 3.5 tonne vans  and more and more  'light' trailers  and all C1 and D1 vehicles  as well as  large goods behicles / PCVs, replacement / supplementation of   chevron plates / long vehicle  boards on the rear with outline markings  to both sides and rear of  all goods vehicles  ... 
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Originally posted by Cirrus

Fancy defending the new status quo at that point anybody?

Trouble is its easy enough to think of ways that boat trailers could be constructed to match the regs without the bars. They'd be far heavier, more expensive, far less convenient and generally a PITA, but they'd meet the regs. So be careful what you wish for.


 rather like some of th e trailers designed for carrying RHIBs and Cathedral Hull Dories you mean ?
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Originally posted by Paramedic

 

So are they trying to say that a type approved trailer - identical in every way really to what we've been using for the last 20 years - is invisible unless it's fitted with the extension arms? If anything the lights are more visible if attached to the boat as they are 1) Higher and 2) more likely to sit at the end of the boat rather than several inches inside.

How do they know the age of the trailer?
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 where are the side markers on a 'traditional' trailer  

height of lights in an interesting one 

 this is very much a case of people need to be cafeful what they wish for , especially given the habit the UK parliament  has of gold plating  stuff from EUrope  , if you  think Brexit is the answer. 
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Originally posted by Noah

I think the chance of being ticketed for using a new trailer 'incorrectly' is very slim. First, do the regs state use, or just construction of the equipment? 2nd, does the increasingly rare policeman in a car either know about these regs or care? Provided you are displaying the correct index number and lights, I doubt it. Also, the CE plate would need to be inspected and deciphered to determine when the road base was built and therefore which rules apply.
The design is ludicrous and completely inappropriate for towing dingies. I'll stick to the combined mast support and lighting board hiung on the rudder fittings.


1.  There are  roads policing Officers who are also Vehicle Examiners 

2. DVSA (VOSAas was)  can stop anyone at any time and failing to stop  for a uniformedDVSA enforcement Officer or Marked  Enforcement Vehicle  is an Offence  equivalent to failing to stop for a Constable.  The DVSA have been taking an interest in  Horseboxes and  motorsport  transporters 
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Nobody is wishing for much here or expects change anytime soon ... common sense has pushed off and been replaced by 'tick-box' regulation where a dyfunctional bureacracy has decided that 'process' is more important that safety let alone appropriate functionality..... Oh and yes - it will even cost you punters more to comply.   Confused  

You might not be bothered, think it does not matter,  but your insurer or 'the other party' might just see the ££ signs and it all ends up in court. 

I'm like the rest of us here with a decent trailer base - ie 'pre'   I will stay with me as long as I drag a boat around and about.  It will be repaired as needed, maintained and cosseted - it WILL last a lifetime ! 

What could have been wished for is that 'our' represtatives, at the right time, had argued for part-exemption and/or a revised and more specific regulation ... as it related 'to towing small boats'.  Probably expecting all far too much I guess ...  Type approval - YES - can't be against that really.  But FFS somebody do your homework first.  Many of the 'improved' products out there now are very far from being that ..... 


Edited by Cirrus - 20 Oct 16 at 9:13pm
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You could buy my old trailer  Wink
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Thanks for the variety of input - as JimC says - "be careful what you wish for".    I can't go back to an 'old' trailer so I'll live with the new one but not use the arms and just hope that no clown tries to inspect my boat whilst I'm trailing it.  I might take a picture of what it looks like with the gubbins and if I have to go to court or insurance produce the picture and say in my defence "it may be legal - but it's a lemon!!"  They'll still lock me up or refuse to pay - but hey ho!!  Thanks again 
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I think i'll just keep an older trailer for the foreseeable.
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