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    Posted: 18 Oct 16 at 11:23am
Originally posted by iGRF


Would it help if it were called Spinnaker board riding?


No. It would help if they didn't have long strings that are a menace to anyone in the vicinity and it would help if the hugely influential bird lobby hadn't already concluded they frighten the wildlife. It would help if the harbour masters in major coastal sailing areas hadn't already banned kite-surfing for those reasons. It would even help if more than a tiny number of sailors showed any interest in course racing kites.

Parallels to windsurfing are false, none of those issues arose.
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It would probably help if the IKA hadn't p!ssed of a lot of potential allies by trying to lie their way to Rio.
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What depressed me is how many people from ISAF fell for those lies. There were claims that kite racing was popular with the yoof, but IIRC the number of youth and juniors at the worlds was about half a dozen. There was also a claim of 200,000 spectators (I think) at the Sylt round of the kiting world cup - but the kiter's own press releases had claimed 50,000 less.

This stuff really isn't hard to check up. It's sad that they even tried, and even sadder that it almost worked. 
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Bootscooter


Kite surfing doesn't have a 'sail', or a 'hull'.


Would it help if it were called Spinnaker board riding?

Sorry folks, it's accessible, low cost has better take up by girls and worldwide and it's about time Grafham Water permitted access and watched its membership double.

Instead of doing what you lot did to windsurfing and scorned, banned, ignored and forced it to fend for itself, those clubs with bigger water would do well to embrace new pusuits.


Like board sailing, it will peak as a fashionable water sport and then drop back to a core.
If clubs go too far chasing these fashions, they are left in the lurch when people move on.

May be we should have jetski racing in the lympic circus, it's popular with chavs and easy to televise.
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It bears repeating .... why all the fuss about the Olymic bit ?      There is plenty of vibrant life outside and our sport hardly needs the 5-ring circus.  If it served to attract more into sailing there might be a case but the 'coverage' is token, expensive, difficult and generally very poor.   Is there any measurable and sustained impact on participation ? 

It hardly scratches the surface of competitive sailing in all its different forms and arguably artificially maintains a focus  on a very small sample of sometimes over priced, atypical but politically well connected classes when the rest of the sailing world really has moved on ... in some instances by many decades. 

WF might well like the association for all sorts of reasons ... but does the circus  (or even WF in its current form for that matter)  really cut it  ?  
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How about a OD Int Moth for the Olympics, one for the girls with two rigs and one for the boys with two rigs, ( If needs be) Two rigs cover differing weights so the bigger Northern Hemisphere lards can compete with the lighter Southern Hemisphere  people.
It would also keep the speeds up in the racing around the world were the differing venues have differing average wind strengths,
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What I feel could make a difference to the profile of sailing is to find a way to get more coverage for class racing at ITS top level to start with. If more people could see how good and also relevant to Mr and Ms Average sailing can be we may see more interest in our sport.
Outside sailing we all know what kinds of perception sailing is seen in, elitist, expensive ect ect.
Show it for what it relay is more and people may get to see it in way they may enjoy themselves.
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Originally posted by gbr940

So the iMoth ticks the boxes - strong global fleet with good turnout, sexy to look at on the shore, exciting on the water. It's also elite enough so we can all moan we either can't afford to buy in, moan we can't sail the damn thing as good as everyone else, and it's intricate enough that we mere mortals can't fix the damn thing without a watchmakers eye.

Plus it does have comedy factor which other boat's cannot claim in all that swimming to launch the damn thing.

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Amazing boats, great class, but strong global fleet? About 12 boats at the North Americans; little or no organised racing in countries like France, NZ, Finland; 20-25 active boats in Japan, not many in Italy, 2 active boats in Denmark, about a dozen in South America, 20 in Switzerland.

It's a strong fleet in Sydney and the south coast, but nowhere else.
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Originally posted by Cirrus

It bears repeating .... why all the fuss about the Olymic bit ?      There is plenty of vibrant life outside and our sport hardly needs the 5-ring circus.  If it served to attract more into sailing there might be a case but the 'coverage' is token, expensive, difficult and generally very poor.   Is there any measurable and sustained impact on participation ? 

It hardly scratches the surface of competitive sailing in all its different forms and arguably artificially maintains a focus  on a very small sample of sometimes over priced, atypical but politically well connected classes when the rest of the sailing world really has moved on ... in some instances by many decades. 

WF might well like the association for all sorts of reasons ... but does the circus  (or even WF in its current form for that matter)  really cut it  ?  

Finding measurable and sustained impact on participation from being in the Olympics is hard for any sport - which probably means it doesn't exist.

The rest of the sailing world hasn't really moved on from the Olympic classes in terms of the age of the design, if that's what you meant.  Look at the design age of the classes when you list North American titles, in order of participation. It goes something like; 1947, 1969, 1955, 1946, 1955, 1955, 1965, 1969, ?, 1938, 2000, 1948, 1968, 1998, 1935...... If you ran the numbers for Australia, Germany, NZ etc it won't look that much different. The numbers for the Uk would look different, but the UK is unique.

In terms of boat type, if we changed Olympic classes to match what most racers now sail, then there'd be probably be a Beneteau 40 class, a Beneteau 30 class, no skiffs, no cats, and no trapeze dinghies.

I think I actually ran the numbers once, and I think I found that the average age of the Olympic classes was actually much younger than the average age of the popular classes in the English-speaking countries, and the rest of the world is little different.

After all, if we are going to dump Olympic disciplines because of their age, then the most popular and most-watched sport of all (running) will go first, followed by the second most popular and most-watched sport (swimming).   






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Originally posted by Chris 249

 Look at the design age of the classes when you list North American titles, in order of participation. It goes something like; 1947, 1969, 1955, 1946, 1955, 1955, 1965, 1969, ?, 1938, 2000, 1948, 1968, 1998, 1935......

Which suggests that there is something 'right' about all those old designs that more modern designs can't improve on?
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