New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Single handling both sexes?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Single handling both sexes?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 89101112 13>
Author
GarethT View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 21 Apr 07
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 714
Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Single handling both sexes?
    Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 8:07pm
And back in the real world, which events are going to be bumped/merged to make room for 2 kite medals?
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 7:49pm
The classes are largely irrelevant. It is the events that need shaking up. Watching 10 different fleet race series is like all cycling being the team pursuit but on bikes with different handlebars.
Back to Top
Bootscooter View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 15 May 07
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1094
Post Options Post Options   Quote Bootscooter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 7:47pm
I rather think it's premature to be saying the Finn is out of the games. From what I understand, there are no plans to lose any of the current classes for 2020, but more likely is a change of formats, with a possible new class being introduced.

If anyone wants to look back, I posted similar a while back in another thread...
Back to Top
Rupert View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 04
Location: Whitefriars sc
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 8956
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 7:09pm
Aero, weight banded, 5 and 7 for women, 7 and 9 for men. Mixed doublehander. And that is it. Kites can go in with surfing, as can windsurfing, doing things other than pretending to be dinghies.
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
Back to Top
Cirrus View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 29 Oct 15
Location: UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 590
Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 6:20pm
..... Sorted. And grf can formulate the handicap system

'World Sailing' etc or whatever they call themselves this week would not want to miss out on that sort of innovative idea - pretty sure they would be thinking along similar lines to him anyway..... as long as there was a few $ and TV potential involved mind you  ...... Wacko

And do bring back the Star ... and the Firefly while you are at it.... Wink
Back to Top
maxibuddah View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 09
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1760
Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 4:58pm
They should allow 2 competitors per country, one man and one woman, in any class they like, be it two single-handers or one two person and then run it on a handicap system, winner takes all. Sorted. And grf can formulate the handicap system
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
Back to Top
getafix View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 28 Mar 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2143
Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by Oli

470 mixed, 49er mixed, foiling nacra 17 mixed, moths for both on separate courses, then vo65s with 50/50 split crews.

Well, since sailing would be thrown out of the Games with that mix, we can have anything we want!   LOL

When it comes to selecting (or retaining) sports, the IOC Olympic Programme Commission has far more criteria that refer to popularity and universality than to spectator appeal and other issues. Sailing's lack of popularity and medals in Africa and Asia are major problems for the sport. Is there a single active group of 49ers, foiling cats, foiling Moths or canting keel big boats anywhere in either of those two continents?

Even with the "spectacular" spinnaker-carrying cats, 49ers, match racing, medal races and shortboards sailing hasn't actually attracted decent ratings. We've been told about six times now that a move to more spectacular classes would get people watching. It hasn't worked. Why should we try it a seventh and eighth time?





IMO the demise of a keelboat class was a major error in getting African and Asian teams more competitive.  Yes the boats cost a lot to buy but after that initial purchase, the costs would be limited to sails and rigging.  I suspect most of the current options involve purchases of at least two boats if not 3 or more during the cycle and many, many sail and rig changes.  The fact a keelboat would also be crewed by 2+ people would also enable club-together funding efforts to get more campaigns up and running. 
Back to Top
getafix View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 28 Mar 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2143
Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 16 at 1:46pm
The Finn is dead, long live the MPS

  • It should be open; Men or Women or not-so-sure, all welcome, as long as there is just one of you!
  • Racing should be held in a pre-defined wind band to avoid boring drifters or survivalist sessions
  • Racing should be a best of series without the enforced-idiocy of the medal race to avoid conditions lottery on the last day and enable all sailors to compete across the conditions throughout the week/two weeks
  • commentary only when absolutely necessary, uses drones to avoid silly/blurry onboard camera shots unless the tech has got sufficiently advanced to enable multiple angles without having stupid stuff sticking out all over the place
Sad to see the Finn go but progress is progress and massive metal plates and silly pumping have to go the way of the dodo. 

Don't see the point of having mens/womens 470 either, combine together to free up another space and enable a keelboat back into the Olympic regatta crazy not to have one.
Back to Top
Chris 249 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2041
Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 16 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by Oli

470 mixed, 49er mixed, foiling nacra 17 mixed, moths for both on separate courses, then vo65s with 50/50 split crews.

Well, since sailing would be thrown out of the Games with that mix, we can have anything we want!   LOL

When it comes to selecting (or retaining) sports, the IOC Olympic Programme Commission has far more criteria that refer to popularity and universality than to spectator appeal and other issues. Sailing's lack of popularity and medals in Africa and Asia are major problems for the sport. Is there a single active group of 49ers, foiling cats, foiling Moths or canting keel big boats anywhere in either of those two continents?

Even with the "spectacular" spinnaker-carrying cats, 49ers, match racing, medal races and shortboards sailing hasn't actually attracted decent ratings. We've been told about six times now that a move to more spectacular classes would get people watching. It hasn't worked. Why should we try it a seventh and eighth time?





Edited by Chris 249 - 16 Oct 16 at 9:55pm
sailcraftblog.wordpress.com

The history and design of the racing dinghy.
Back to Top
realnutter View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 17 Nov 15
Location: Reading, UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 129
Post Options Post Options   Quote realnutter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 16 at 8:36pm
Is it time for the return of the sliding seat?   Weight equalisation is simply a matter of limiting how far it slides....

*Ducks behind parapet*
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 89101112 13>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy