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    Posted: 10 Oct 16 at 11:45am
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

the joining fee is a good way to retain members, if trying another club for a season has no cost perhaps people will hop around the options


Members who are settled in life maybe, one of the biggest risks to the sport constantly highlighted is the lack of 20 and 30 somethings sailing. These are the groups most likely to be moving around for work / social reasons completely unrelated to sailing. As a result they can't justify the cost of a joining fee over an extended period and are more likely to be punished by having to pay multiple ones simply to stay within the sport. Now I'm not naïve enough to think that this is a major factor contributing to the loss of this demographic but it is still a hurdle that could easily be removed.

P.S. Surely clubs should be using incentives to retain members rather than the threat of financial punishment??
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Originally posted by RS400atC

HISC is not your average sailing club.
I know an awful lot of people who sail dinghies in the area, and a few HISC members.
Most of the HISC members I know have weekend/holiday places on 'that island' at £250k and upwards, which makes even a 4-digit joining fee insignificant.
You won't fit in there if you can't afford a new boat every other year anyway.
Most of the other HISC members I know joined young and probably got a better deal.
There are a dozen clubs within pushbike distance for 'normal people'.
The south coast/solent sailing eco-system is not like the rest of the UK.
HISC is was it is. It does a lot for top-end sailing, and it's actually possible to sail there quite a bit as a local pleb without joining. Don't knock it until you've done Fed week a few times!


You have a very lopsided view of the 'typical' HISC demograpghic. Granted it is not an 'average' sailing club, but people travel for the facilities offered. The same is true at another south cost club where members I know travel from Bucks, Berks & NE Kent because of the sailing on offer.

None of the regular sailors in the fleet that I sail in have holiday homes on the island. Almost all are local; living and / or working on the island or nearby.

As for the new boat every other year - that's just total b*lls. The newest boats in the Fireball fleet are older than two years. Mine is now 13 and not the oldest by any means. At a rough guess I would put the average somewhere above 8.

HISC might have had a reputation for being elitest in the past. It is certainly not true now. I'm just an ordinary Joe club sailor who struggles to get into the top half of a circuit or nationals fleet and have been welcomed by everyone there.

The club is well run, with membership and joining fees set at rates that allow the wonderful facilities to be maintained and upgraded when necessary, whilst attracting the demographic the club feels is beneficial to its future success.

It might be understood from the above that I'm a fan. True, and unashamed to say so!
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

the joining fee is a good way to retain members, if trying another club for a season has no cost perhaps people will hop around the options

This was the reason given for retaining the joining fee at my club because they were worried that existing members would be annoyed at it being scrapped.

A non argument if you ask me, put it to vote at an AGM!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 16 at 12:06pm
the only joining fee justifications for me would be

i) if the club uses the additional funds to create berthing spaces for new members
ii) and/or parking spaces to the first

Anything else is just BS.  I asked around about 'joining fees' and I noted a great deal of clubs at the Dinghy Show wave them to attract new members anyway (most I spoke to 2 years ago, didn't go this year) so they obviously have little, if any, fiscal significance to the clubs charging them.
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Unless the joining fee is actually putting off a significant number of potential members if a club drops the joining fee then the subscriptions have to increase to balance the books. And you also have to consider whether the less committed tend to maintain membership rather than pay another joining fee.

The arguments pro and con seem quite balanced to me. Its interesting to see how many posters are really dogmatic about whether or not they are a good idea, but in a world where no-one ever gets to find out what *would* have happened, I'm not sure how they can be so certain.

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HISC entry fees are at the bottom of the link up thread. You don't pay them as an under 30. 

At HISC in the first year you don't have any duties. You also pay 'pro-rata'. So you could say the joining fee is offset by these. 

If you're basing your decision on cost per race for a single season then joining fees will make it expensive. But if you're doing that calculation over 5 years it becomes a lot less significant. Clubs which are already pretty full will want to attract members who are thinking more long term, as it enable the clubs to think more long term too with their finances. 

It's a bit simplistic to see a joining fee, and say that as a club is asking you to hand over a wad of cash just to join, that it's elitist. The joining fees I've been asked for in sailing I feel are proportionate to a years subs, and insignificant compared to equipment / kit costs. If someone is able to spend £,000's on a boat, you can hardly say £300 joining fee is the elitist barrier keeping them out of the sport.  

Obviously joining or entry fees in some other sports are clearly designed to be elitist (£10,000) and I would hate that to become the case in sailing.   

I live on Hayling now, but was in Southampton when I joined. We joined because it had the cheapest subs, but more because you have sheltered launching at all tidal heights and the option of open or sheltered sailing areas.  For the record we've not bought a boat since we joined 8 years ago :)  


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Originally posted by JimC

Unless the joining fee is actually putting off a significant number of potential members if a club drops the joining fee then the subscriptions have to increase to balance the books.

I'm not sure I follow that logic.  It implies a club knows how many new members it would get in any given year or could count of getting and I don't see that being very likely (or wise!)

And you also have to consider whether the less committed tend to maintain membership rather than pay another joining fee.

The arguments pro and con seem quite balanced to me. Its interesting to see how many posters are really dogmatic about whether or not they are a good idea, but in a world where no-one ever gets to find out what *would* have happened, I'm not sure how they can be so certain.


Completely agree, the only way to know for sure, would be to drop the joining fee and measure the before & after
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 16 at 2:03pm
And that wouldn't work eithrt because the sample is statistically insignificant  Unhappy
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Originally posted by Noah

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You have a very lopsided view of the 'typical' HISC demograpghic. Granted it is not an 'average' sailing club, but people travel for the facilities offered. .....

I wasn't knocking HISC.
I decided not to join, but that was for my own reasons.
I'm sure my view of the demographic is lopsided, but that's because I happen to know a not-statistacally-random sample of members there.
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Don't want to pay the joining fee...then go somewhere else.

As it's been mentioned - the fee is part of the clubs revenue stream which otherwise would increase further the current members fees. We've all paid it and isn't an issue, and personally feel like it was a "buy in" to the longer term investment in the club.

We have a joining fee which if you join in the last half of the sailing year is waivered...but to be honest, people still want to join at the beginning of the year and happy to pay it without comment.
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