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    Posted: 04 Oct 16 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Tom J

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Joining fees are off putting for new members, I have decided not to join 2 clubs in recent years as I couldn't justify the cost per sail and only joined my current one as I needed somewhere to store the boat (and that was as an existing sailor who liked the water, people and club). So if your club is booming then great but for the majority of clubs I really think these are an issue that could put people off. ......


You're not making yourself sound like the kind of member I'd change club policy to attract.
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Originally posted by Paramedic


Members are generated by making sure the club gets first dibs on existing sailors who move into the area. Frankly if they like the water, the people and the format of club sailing they will join almost regardless as long as the figures are reasonable.

yep - I joined my club 15 years ago now when I moved out of London simply because it was a club I'd raced opens at as a kid and I knew it from being a good host venue from the uni sailing circuit - regional qualifier events and a well regarded open event.    

They also had class racing.  

It's hardly 'expensive' in real terms, although there are quite a few cheaper options it competes with.


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Originally posted by RS400atC


Originally posted by Tom J

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Joining fees are off putting for new members, I have decided not to join 2 clubs in recent years as I couldn't justify the cost per sail and only joined my current one as I needed somewhere to store the boat (and that was as an existing sailor who liked the water, people and club). So if your club is booming then great but for the majority of clubs I really think these are an issue that could put people off. ......
You're not making yourself sound like the kind of member I'd change club policy to attract.


When most of my weekends are spent on the open circuit the majority of my club sailing would have been evenings of which there are 20? races per year. Factor in work commitments and holidays and I was looking at maybe 10 - 12 of those, weather permitting. When the joining fee alone is adding on £10 for every Wednesday night race I could do I did start to question if that was something I wanted to spend my money on.

Hopefully most clubs want members who join in with racing when they can, are happy to do their duties and get involved with other bits of the club when they can too (plus pay their regular subs too of course) so I'm not sure how you qualify to be a good enough club member for a policy change but that comment is missing my point. My point is that joining fees can make a difference to whether or not someone joins a club, most club turnouts could be improved and I am yet to hear a convincing reason to have joining fees in the first place.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 16 at 10:46am
Originally posted by Tom J

 I am yet to hear a convincing reason to have joining fees in the first place.

bucket list types - you know, the super keen newbie who lasts all of two seasons before realising road biking / bouldering / saving orang-utans in Borneo are all more accessible.   

we might as well fleece them while we can.....   


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Originally posted by RS400atC


You're not making yourself sound like the kind of member I'd change club policy to attract.

Double edged sword - he's out there representing the club and spreading the word that its a good place to be. I'm not seen all that much in summer - sailing anyway -  at either of the clubs I'm a member of.

But that doesn't mean that I'm inactive.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 16 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by Tom J

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When most of my weekends are spent on the open circuit the majority of my club sailing would have been evenings of which there are 20? races per year. Factor in work commitments and holidays and I was looking at maybe 10 - 12 of those, weather permitting. When the joining fee alone is adding on £10 for every Wednesday night race I could do I did start to question if that was something I wanted to spend my money on.

Hopefully most clubs want members who join in with racing when they can, are happy to do their duties and get involved with other bits of the club when they can too (plus pay their regular subs too of course) so I'm not sure how you qualify to be a good enough club member for a policy change but that comment is missing my point. My point is that joining fees can make a difference to whether or not someone joins a club, most club turnouts could be improved and I am yet to hear a convincing reason to have joining fees in the first place.

I see where yo uare coming from now....
Most people don't think in terms of joining just for 1 year?
I have had to think about 'value per race' myself this year, due to a house move and not getting organised until half the year was gone. We joined two clubs around May and I think I will be writing off the joining fee on one of them, but it's small beer in the context of a house move.
Likewise if you only expect to do 12 races, the duties become a turn off at some clubs.
Sounds like the club was not ideal for you anyway?
I'm not saying all clubs should have a joining fee, it's just that I think some clubs have their reasons and don't want to fiddle with a formula that seems to work OK.

My personal grumble is a certain club not having any flexibility about non-members crewing, when it's completely impractical for the crew to join. E.g. he's only in the area for 3 months weekdays on a temporary contract and goes back to T'north at weekends. And he's already an RYA member and member of Class Association and at least one RYA affiliated club of his own....

You can please half of the people, half of the time....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 16 at 8:15am
Originally posted by Tom J

As far as I can tell joining fees come from a time when there was an inherent cost of processing a new member, membership packs had to be printed and posted out, and someone had to give up a considerable amount of time.


No, it never cost a few hundred quid to process a new member.
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the joining fee is a good way to retain members, if trying another club for a season has no cost perhaps people will hop around the options
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

the joining fee is a good way to retain members, if trying another club for a season has no cost perhaps people will hop around the options

that sounds like a great idea .... then social groups can start to create bonds based on common goals rather than everywhere being a complete mish-mash of different boats and different wants and desires.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 6:06pm
If you could work out how many members you retained compared to how many new members were put off by the joining fee......
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