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    Posted: 02 Oct 16 at 10:59pm
There's only a share in the equity if the club folds (and then only if it hasn't become a CASC). The infrastructure value is (or should be reflected in) the subs.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 16 at 7:06am
Joining fees are part of the revenue stream for the club. No joining fee = higher subs for everyone. If a club wants more members then joining fees don't help but not all clubs are actively looking for new members. Even the wait-list isn't dead everywhere.

If your nose is put out of joint by joining fees then don't join.
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My club introduced one again to discourage members from leaving while the refurbishment/ rebuild was supposed to be happening(mostly the social members who frankly get a very cheap deal anyway) but does not apply if the join via the introductory sailing training route which is very cheap. Also it encourages people to pay there membership on time not leave it until they want to start sailing again and most of the duty rota is sorted for the first part of the year.
Not excatly a real killer at £50 and we use it as a special offer reduction at times to encourage new memebers like at the Americas cup when we were one of the local clubs on the RYA stand.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 16 at 10:43am
Draycote has a very good policy - the joining fee is not re-payable if you write to the office / committee informing them of your intention not to re-join.  It means there's some flexibility if your situation changes and for whatever reason, want to take a season or two out of membership without there being a penalty in the future.  

I think they sometimes waive the joining fee for those dropping out the back end of courses too.... but don't quote me on that please, it's just something I thought I heard once!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 16 at 1:01pm
I know a club that has no joining fee but gives a hefty discount on your renewal every year if you pay by the end of Feb.
 
So in my opinion a back door way of getting a joining fee....
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Originally posted by Contender443

I know a club that has no joining fee but gives a hefty discount on your renewal every year if you pay by the end of Feb.
 
So in my opinion a back door way of getting a joining fee....

I think that is a pretty harsh assessment, our club moved toward a prompt payment discount, which really is a late payment surcharge, after despairing with the usual suspects often paying their subs 3 or 4 months late, and delaying until they wanted to use the club at Easter.  A club cannot be run effectively if you have a significant element who you don't know whether they are going to rejoin each year.

Ref. The joining fee, from a sailors perspective I would do anything to encourage participation, and if having no joining fee helps achieve it then so be it, however I do see the joining fee as some protection against people who dip in and out of a club ... Again from a management perspective you are looking for a consistent stable level of membership.

If most clubs are like ours, then the committee targets making a marginal profit ... If the club makes too much the committee is accused of charging too much and being elitist, if it loses money then the club is poorly managed.  It therefore only takes a small movement in membership numbers to move a club from profit to loss; so I would suggest that the encouragement of paying subs on time and the use of joining fees are simply tools to assist its stability.






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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 16 at 12:15am
Originally posted by 423zero

My club does not have a joining fee.
I do not know if charging one would help, but we have not had a new member for several years who has proved capable of doing duties of any description, the majority only want to pop down to suit themselves.
I believe they should be charged extra for not contributing to club, they appear to think members who do duties are employees.


'club development' fee  rebated for  attendance to duties and working parties is  something  which has been debated  before 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 16 at 8:31am
One of the problems - and another thread really - is that generally speaking running sailing courses does not generate (m)any club members. It may tick participation boxes, but thats often the only benefit and clubs waste countless member hours flogging this horse because they have to.

Members are generated by making sure the club gets first dibs on existing sailors who move into the area. Frankly if they like the water, the people and the format of club sailing they will join almost regardless as long as the figures are reasonable.
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As far as I can tell joining fees come from a time when there was an inherent cost of processing a new member, membership packs had to be printed and posted out, and someone had to give up a considerable amount of time. Not knocking any current membership secretaries efforts but the arrival of the computer has considerably speeded up how simply someone's details can be recorded and websites / e-mail can remove the need for posting out any relevant information.

Joining fees are off putting for new members, I have decided not to join 2 clubs in recent years as I couldn't justify the cost per sail and only joined my current one as I needed somewhere to store the boat (and that was as an existing sailor who liked the water, people and club). So if your club is booming then great but for the majority of clubs I really think these are an issue that could put people off.

Someone said they were needed for topping up the coffers but if your running costs per member are x don't add an extra cost y just for some people in case x goes down, just select a better value for x.

The only sensible argument I have heard against scrapping them is that it could be unfair on those who have joined in recent years. There's not an easy way round this but a phased reduction is likely to be the simplest way to go. Although saying that and having just paid them this year I'd happily see it scrapped for next year still... as far as I'm concerned it's gone anyway.

I've heard some people claim it encourages loyalty but from personal experience I've moved club based on other factors such as where I was based with work rather than anything sailing related. The idea of not having to pay a joining fee if I stayed somewhere wouldn't influence bigger life decisions and so just becomes an annoyance (or a deal breaker) when I do move.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 16 at 9:36am
I can't say joining fees are the biggest barrier for me - I'd happily join a couple of clubs to use for differing activities on offer, but the requirement to do two sets of duties is a total deal breaker.
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