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    Posted: 01 Oct 16 at 9:34pm
Could be that all members should be put on the list for duties, some clubs even rotor new members in for a couple more than the norm in the first couple of years. This will then give them a broad understanding of the running the clubs duties and gives extra skills in return which will then be useful to the club in general. My feeling is that with all else that is on offer to people in their off time we need to include rather than exclude them into our sport.  

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My club does not have a joining fee.
I do not know if charging one would help, but we have not had a new member for several years who has proved capable of doing duties of any description, the majority only want to pop down to suit themselves.
I believe they should be charged extra for not contributing to club, they appear to think members who do duties are employees.
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Joining fees discourage people just joining when they feel like it-miss a year or just for the summer. We offer a sliding scale of membership fee depending on when in the year they join. Some penalty is needed to discourage just joining every year in August when the kids are on holiday and then not having duties to do March-August. And probably not paying boat berth fees either...
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Originally posted by Rupert

Two and a half grand seems the bottom end for a 400 on Apollo Duck.


Probably plus a grand for sails?
To be fair I reckon £5k will get you a good club 400 and keep it supplied with sails and covers and other wear-out or breakable items for quite a few years. Unless you are heavy on masts.

Two grand might get you on the water and deliver a lot of fun.

Still puts my club's joining fee in the shade.
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Two and a half grand seems the bottom end for a 400 on Apollo Duck.
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You assme that all clubs want more members.
That really is not always the case.
Some clubs do better by having the right number of the right sort of members.
I've seen a club try too hard to get new members, resulting in a short term boom now long forgotten.
Continuity, stability, commitment.
Clubs will tend to be run the way they always have been, because that's the safest way.
If a club can make zero joining fees and discounts work, that's great, but personally I respect the motivation behind not fiddling with a formula that's worked well for 50, 80 or 100+ years.

It's the eleven grand cost of joining the RS400 fleet that's the problem....
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Originally posted by RS400atC


Frankly that's not always reasonable.
One club I used to be a member of had about 100 members and about £500k in freehold property, which affectively belongs to the membership. This dates back to members in the 1920's putting their hands in their pockets to buy the building. Over the years, when investment has been needed, it has come from the existing membership in the form of a levy or higher subs for a year or two. In the absence of a joining fee, it would make sense to dip out for a year when spending was needed.
If you don't want to join such a club, that's fine, go start your own or find one which is not so reliant on the investment of previous generations.
Unless a club is paying dividends to  shareholders like some golf clubs, joining fees are just part of the income/expenditure balance and no joining fee means either less spending on facilities, or higher annual subs, particularly in some clubs where capacity is limited.


No, the argument just doesn't hold water. It's exactly the same as has been said in the past many many times to try and justify the joining fee, that it's to compensate for the efforts and investment of previous owners.
In you real life example; if somebody leaves or dies from the 100 membership of your club, do you then pay them back their 1/100th share of the assets?

The next generation of members come in and make their contribution to the club, both in the running of and the fabric of the club in whatever way is required at the time.

Over the years I have been a member of 8 sailing clubs, including at least one Royal Yacht Club with valuable freehold, they were one of the few not to charge a joining fee. I have contributed to varying degrees at each club, mainly due to the changing circumstances of growing family, sailing clubs should be seriously thinking about increasing membership not putting barriers in the way, financial or not.

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Originally posted by Roger

If there is one thing in the world of sailing that really, and I mean really, really, angers me it is "Joining Fees" there is and never has been any justification for them, I have questioned several clubs over the years as to how they justify them and have never been satisfied with any answer, basically because you can't.

They should be ditched without delay.... end of.



Frankly that's not always reasonable.
One club I used to be a member of had about 100 members and about £500k in freehold property, which affectively belongs to the membership. This dates back to members in the 1920's putting their hands in their pockets to buy the building. Over the years, when investment has been needed, it has come from the existing membership in the form of a levy or higher subs for a year or two. In the absence of a joining fee, it would make sense to dip out for a year when spending was needed.
If you don't want to join such a club, that's fine, go start your own or find one which is not so reliant on the investment of previous generations.
Unless a club is paying dividends to  shareholders like some golf clubs, joining fees are just part of the income/expenditure balance and no joining fee means either less spending on facilities, or higher annual subs, particularly in some clubs where capacity is limited.
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I reckon we scrapped our joining fee at least 20 years ago. For many years now we have given a 50% discount for first year's membership. For those joining in the last quarter of the membership year they do not have to renew their fees for 15 months.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 16 at 3:34pm
We don't have a joining fee but do have a refundable deposit if you require a gate key and clubhouse access card; only required by members who want to use the Club outside of organised sailing days.

I argue for a reduced fee introductory membership with access only on sailing days to give newbies time to get to "know the ropes", not taken on board so far.

edit. To Roger's post, I agree, talk of to pay for admin but it's a pretty lame one to my mind.  


Edited by Do Different - 01 Oct 16 at 3:36pm
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