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    Posted: 01 Oct 16 at 12:03pm
With the numbers of people joining in on our sport, do you think it makes sense to have a joining fee as well as a membership fee.  If your starting out in sailing and you have spent out on a boat and gear, is it just to much to be asked for a joining fee as well. A big club I know of has done away with its joining fee as the number of people wanting to join was a lot less than the number who were leaving or passing away?
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Many clubs have built up wealth over the years, it's not unreasonable to be expected to buy into that.
Money has to come from somewhere, clubs have to strike a balance between loyal members and newcomers. The right balance probably varies case by case.
I've never seen a joining fee that would put me off, except perhaps the odd club where yacht mooring rights are involved.
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The issue is primarily about   demonstrating value for  the joining fee -  what does it  actually mean  is it purely a  another source of general income  or  does it have a specific purpose in developing the club as an organisation and /or the facilities ... 
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I'm just supposing here but is some of it to keep the riff raff out and keep the club exclusive? I have been out off by it at two clubs in my nearby area. I simply cannot afford the £300+ joining fee on top of the other expenditures for sailing. I'll stick to my small cheap club and do opens
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Joining fees are counter productive and in my view, unhelpful. I can't see how charging new members a premium helps the club grow (in these times where most clubs are actively seeking new members). Allowing new members a reduced sub when they first join to reflect the time to renewal is simple fair and equitable. I would be discouraged from joining a club if I had to pay 12 months subs for 3 months membership (I am about to join a club who's subs are fairly high but there is no joining fee and a pro rata reduction for new members joining in the second half of the year, the sub also include a berth and sailing rights).

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As I recall in the days of waiting lists and the like part of the justification was that it encouraged committed members who were there for the long haul rather than (in 21stC terms) bucket list types who dip in and out.
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If there is one thing in the world of sailing that really, and I mean really, really, angers me it is "Joining Fees" there is and never has been any justification for them, I have questioned several clubs over the years as to how they justify them and have never been satisfied with any answer, basically because you can't.

They should be ditched without delay.... end of.


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We don't have a joining fee but do have a refundable deposit if you require a gate key and clubhouse access card; only required by members who want to use the Club outside of organised sailing days.

I argue for a reduced fee introductory membership with access only on sailing days to give newbies time to get to "know the ropes", not taken on board so far.

edit. To Roger's post, I agree, talk of to pay for admin but it's a pretty lame one to my mind.  


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I reckon we scrapped our joining fee at least 20 years ago. For many years now we have given a 50% discount for first year's membership. For those joining in the last quarter of the membership year they do not have to renew their fees for 15 months.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 16 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by Roger

If there is one thing in the world of sailing that really, and I mean really, really, angers me it is "Joining Fees" there is and never has been any justification for them, I have questioned several clubs over the years as to how they justify them and have never been satisfied with any answer, basically because you can't.

They should be ditched without delay.... end of.



Frankly that's not always reasonable.
One club I used to be a member of had about 100 members and about £500k in freehold property, which affectively belongs to the membership. This dates back to members in the 1920's putting their hands in their pockets to buy the building. Over the years, when investment has been needed, it has come from the existing membership in the form of a levy or higher subs for a year or two. In the absence of a joining fee, it would make sense to dip out for a year when spending was needed.
If you don't want to join such a club, that's fine, go start your own or find one which is not so reliant on the investment of previous generations.
Unless a club is paying dividends to  shareholders like some golf clubs, joining fees are just part of the income/expenditure balance and no joining fee means either less spending on facilities, or higher annual subs, particularly in some clubs where capacity is limited.
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