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    Posted: 01 Oct 16 at 10:28am
Blimey this is a dreary negative thread !

The vast majority NEVER travelled in the distant past either and presumably had all sorts of reasons then as well.  The real contrast is that they did not have access to 'social' media then to justify their non-involvement ...  what on earth is the point guys ?

If other folks dont want to travel - absolutely fine in my book.... but the rest of us are not exactly busting to know all about it.  The sailjuice series kickes off in a few weeks and has bumper numbers who do somehow manage to justify their involvement .. and travel.  It suggests quite a lot do get their kicks by getting involved as well.... and the numbers continue to rise year on year.  Perhaps the organisers ARE doing something right there. 

There has also always been a turnover in the sport - some come in and some leave.  This is not unhealthy either.  So if say bikes grab you more at the moment go off and just do it ..  you can come back into sailing anytime you want .. or it is even possible to do both.  Just don't wallow in tired old self-justifications on the keyboard - go out and find some other activity that you can justify and enjoy....    

B****r  all this for now - I'm off sailing ....
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Originally posted by Cirrus

So if say bikes grab you more at the moment go off and just do it ..  you can come back into sailing anytime you want .. or it is even possible to do both.  Just don't wallow in tired old self-justifications on the keyboard


There's definitely a tendency in some places to mistake "I'm no longer in a place where I enjoy this" with "this is crap and you should all stop doing it". Pretty silly really, but unfortunate if it results in a tide of negativity which has adverse effects on other people. For example, I've got fed up with salt water, and all the consequences of which I don't like (and don't propose to list), and only sail inland at the moment, but that's something 'wrong' with me, not something that's wrong with sea sailing!
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Its now a pointless thread - people who don't want to travel/ cant be bothered etc saying how difficult etc it is and justifying to themselves why they dont

Yes sometime going to events is a bit difficult compared to sailing at your own club but thats like most things in life - its not always easy.

Personally I love packing up the boat, getting up early and heading off



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Actually, I think it's far from dreary, it provides a framework to understand the reasons why people who previously travelled for events do so less and less now.   It's not, in my case, really a lack of desire to sail other venues- it's a compound of factors that mean that the value proposition isn't significantly greater over club racing (on the whole) to justify the precious free time needed to even attend.   
Turn it on it's head.... club racing must be alright to keep dragging folks back, especially when you consider some of the (gawd awful) boats we choose to do it in compared to what could be bought on the open market and then raced under an RYA burgee.




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Yes it would be much better having a forum where nothing gets discussed positive or negative and you can all go on thinking everything is well in your world of corrupt handicaps, class favoritism, dreary old 1950's boats being warmed over because if anything new comes along it'll get killed immediately with a crap handicap. So as your class attendances dwindle and only the big handicap events expand because there is nothing else left that is perceived as going somewhere and they are dominated by 'fixed' banditry bent on preserving the status quo.

Much better not to talk about it.
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I feel that dinghy sailing is part of the many things and sports on offer so we have to compete with them. At my club, weekday/evening sailing is the big thing and weekends have a differing show of people. 
Its is looking more like a fix for many during the week with people turning up straight from work and getting a race fix, pint and meal and then home.
The weekend also uses those same people to help a very well turned out junior section which needs many adult hands to run it.So with all that going on, when asked why people do not travel they say the family has lots on at the weekends and so it not possible. Or, the cost of fuel is also a large factor for some as well as all the other stuff they do with their families.
Opens away improves your sailing, it did mine but with less people doing it the meetings are getting smaller so the intensive is reducing.
Sailing is changing and so is the world, its just how it is!

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Originally posted by Poole Pirate

...with less people doing it the meetings are getting smaller

But are the meetings getting smaller? Or at least smaller in proportion? Its inevitable that people stop going to open events as their lives change, but hopefully they are replaced with others. Its also inevitable that individual classes rise and fall in popularity. But unless you have real recorded data across a wide range of classes you can't make any generalisations. I haven't done an analysis, but I'm not sure that my clubs opens are getting less popular overall, but the numbers rise and fall for individual classes every year.
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Gordon Bennet etc - If some don't want to travel or even sail then guys just leave it and move on to something you do like ...

All the rest is repeating the bl**ding obvious unless you have any sort of proposed solution to reversing your own observations and reasons for ‘not doing much at all’.   Sweeping  personal generalizations  masquerading as ‘analysis’ does not usefully ‘inform’ anyone  about  much, or change anything.  

It is the weekend -  Go sailing  … Go cycling … go fly a kite .. or even go to B&Q if you must .. do whatever – just try a bit of positivity and with it do try to enjoy it.   This  thread is deceased, dead,  ‘lying down sleeping ‘ … please surely  by now  LOL

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 16 at 3:47pm
Liking this Cirrus bloke's thinking.  Beer
 
 Now home from Club with my boat on trailer for an event next weekend, only second time this year but that's my choice, simple as, no excuses or complicated value equations.

One thing I do know is I see plenty of horse boxes and trailers on the road around these parts. From personal experience I can say even though a horse costs a lot more to run than a push bike not all of them by any means will be owned by wealthy toffs, I guess they just really want to...................


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Spent today introducing 4 people to sailing. No wind, a thunderstorm, pouring rain at times, yet all 4 came off the water having enjoyed themselves. Hoping for better weather tomorrow! So, for every jaded person on here, I hope there are 4 enthusiastic people starting out.
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