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    Posted: 30 Sep 16 at 11:40am
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   I bet yours was a pint of  'brown and bitter' as well - was very popular in some parts of the county I'm told ... LOL 




Brown and Bitter? Ugh who do you think I was? Who drank Brown and Bitter? Brown and Mild until I discovered that new fangled imported Lager called Heinken which you could safely drink 2 & 1/2pints of and negotiate the Maidstone bypass towing a trailer, making sure your mate didn't unhitch it at the lights for you...
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Crumbs - its depressing reading all these negative posts about the cost of sailing events, traffic and how much better it used to be etc etc etc

There are still 1000s of people each weekend happily travelling around doing lots of events.

Some share travel, some camp, some stay with members from the home club and some go to lovely hotels. If you are worried about traffic you get up early (just like you do for work).

Nothing has changed.

There are countless excuses for not travelling - I've used them all at times but they are simply that much of the time - excuses.

Granted - if you live miles from anywhere its harder but that's the price you pay I guess.

Lots of classes do 1 day events - these can be great - up to 4 races a day and just some fuel.

I don't know anyone who, hand on heart, says that they cant do any events for traffic or cost ?

Perhaps the truth is that we all have lots of other things to do these days if we chose ?

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Originally posted by rich96

I don't know anyone who, hand on heart, says that they cant do any events for traffic or cost ?

Perhaps the truth is that we all have lots of other things to do these days if we chose ?


traffic and cost are compound effects on the primary one.... less time.  Why use your limited spare time to sit in traffic, or pay for sailing somewhere away from your home club when windguru is looking iffy.  
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by rich96

I don't know anyone who, hand on heart, says that they cant do any events for traffic or cost ?

Perhaps the truth is that we all have lots of other things to do these days if we chose ?


traffic and cost are compound effects on the primary one.... less time.  Why use your limited spare time to sit in traffic, or pay for sailing somewhere away from your home club when windguru is looking iffy.  

Because weather forecasters are, far more often than not, blinkin' useless, particularly when it comes to the wind. 
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At least classes like the Solo have taken measures to cancel events on rubbish forecasts rather than waste people's time
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The wind forecasters give yet another reason not to travel - too much wind, too little, not my condition etc etcetera etc

And regularly these forecasts are totally wrong

If you have such limited time then you may not travel to events anyway ?

It's simple - those without time, money etc can't travel and most of the others simply don't want to


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Originally posted by craiggo

The point about age is relevant. I still feel, and am made to feel like one of the young kids at my home club and I'm 40 next year!!!! The boom time was the 5 years after uni. Good salary, decent car, RS fleet in its prime with events every fortnight. I put almost 100k miles on the car just going to sailing events. It was basically a 5 year extension of uni sailing p**s ups.

When I look at the scene today, the 20-25yr olds with reasonable jobs have enough cash to play the game but the social scene has dissapeared as the bulk of us have aged and settled down for a quieter life. With no one organising any social sailing that is attractive to the youngsters and given they don't want to organise anything themselves it's not a big surprise.

Meanwhile the rest of us will mainly sail at our home clubs with a few opens during the year where a good night is measured by how many types of boutique ale we sampled.


there were a lot of 18-30 year olds as well as 30+ at the cycle sportive I did last weekend, a mate is doing the south downs 100 this weekend and says it's almost full.  Many bikes are now 'dinghy money' so I guess this demographic is getting its kicks elsewhere these days?
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They certainly are. However, re the comparative cost; I dunno about the specific situation at such events in your neck of the woods, but overall only a minute percentage of bikes seem to be "dinghy money" according to the trade reports. The most popular bike in my club's track events is worth about the same as a Laser mainsail, complete.  A quick check on our major national bike sales website shows that about 98% of new racing/road bikes are cheaper than a new Laser.  Not a single new road bike for sale in the country is even close to being in the region of an expensive singlehanded dinghy.




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Chris is right IMO, price is not the reason people go cycling instead of dinghy sailing. Not many bikes cost new RS400 money, the most expensive Carbon road bikes Evans sell are under £10k and an RS400 is over £13k with covers and combo trailer. And decent carbon road bikes (a sort of RS400 equivalent) with a not quite top of the range group set (Shimano 105) start from £1400 and are good enough for all but the most serious riders. You will struggle to buy a competitive (at open meeting level) boat in the popular classes for that (Ok, maybe a Topper ;)).

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I think it's all to do with the demographic. Age has a lot to do with it. I'm 54

I drive from south Devon to Milton Keynes three times a year for a five hour meeting. In the past it has been fun and a change, staying overnight and seeing colleagues. My car is comfortable and my wife loves to drive me all the way so no excuses and I get paid for it. However this is the last year we will be doing it. We are all in our 50s to mid/late 60s and have decided to do it all via video conferencing. So end of an era. 

When I was younger the drive was an adventure and a treat now for some reason it's not the same and I think age and a sense of deja vue are the factors that make me less likely to do trips away and even less likely to go with a boat than before.
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