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    Posted: 25 Sep 16 at 6:55pm
Absolutely agree Mr Jim.  Beer
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I think it quite probable that the every dog has its day aspect of handicap racing is part of its appeal, but as, to me, the real aim of club racing should be that as many folk as possible have a fun days sailing, I don't see that as a problem.

To me amateur sports clubs should be there to serve people as they are, not to try and guide them into what some authority thinks they ought to be. That, in my day at least, was the role of School sport.
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http://www.welshharpsailingclub.org/results/laser_sat_summer.htm

http://www.welshharpsailingclub.org/results/sat_summer16_a.htm

Please forgive my completely random selection of results but that looks a lot of DNQs there for the series. North London so I'm guessing hardly short of population to go at.

  
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by bustinben

it's all about cereal eating competitions... and you're the only one with shreddies

Tell me I've got to eat cornflakes and I'll stay at home.

As I've said before its just b******s that people like class racing. They feel they should say they do, but the actions don't match the words. If it were true then it would be really hard to introduce new classes, and really easy to keep a fleet going at a club. But as anyone who's tried will tell you the really hard bit is to keep a fleet together once formed.

Yes back in the 70s many clubs had only approved classes, and they almost all have handicap fleets now. Why? because people would rather not sail at all than sail a boat they don't like, and once the boom was over (in those days many clubs even had waiting lists!) the approved fleet thing cost too many subscriptions.

I hear what you're saying, but it only takes one example to disprove the rule, and that is the healthy membership and racing that goes on at the welsh harp.  Perhaps people left to their own devices will destroy class racing and subsequently participation, but if you make them all sail the same class everything runs along quite happily?

The way I see the issue is that people want to "win" and in class racing, you generally can't.  If you let people go and buy another boat that might let them "win more" even if that's only on the water and not on handicap, or at the very least gives them the excuse that it was the handicaps fault they didn't win then some of them will go and do that.   

You can also solve the problem with a little bit of effort in the organisation and have different competitions running within the class racing for people of different standards.   I'm a firm believer that quality of racing is what matters, not "quality" or "speed" of boat.


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We have a fishing club. Generates income, means people are around during the week. But we have to put up with the rubbish they leave behind and the occasional obnoxious one.
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Not universally true. My club leases the fishing rights for our Thames Water reservoir and prohibit fishing.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by JimC

Thing is the big clubs are the most expensive, and so are the big classes. Add to that increased travel time to fewer clubs and you're pushing an awful lot of people out of the sport.

Big inland clubs  are often on reservoirs and the water companies   being  (ex)public sector love their rules and regs , compared tothe attitude taken by the aggegate companies who are quite happy to turn over the vast majority of  responsibilities for management of what is their 'waste'  ... 

The reason inland water is expensive is often that sailing has to compete with trout fishing, which generates serious money.
Maybe sport just exists to use up all our spare money? If all boats were half the price, I'd buy a more expenssive one....


 interestingly  where sailing clubs have become the master lesee  for a water they don;t seek to exclude others ... comared to some of the fishing 'clubs' ...
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Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by JimC

Thing is the big clubs are the most expensive, and so are the big classes. Add to that increased travel time to fewer clubs and you're pushing an awful lot of people out of the sport.

Big inland clubs  are often on reservoirs and the water companies   being  (ex)public sector love their rules and regs , compared tothe attitude taken by the aggegate companies who are quite happy to turn over the vast majority of  responsibilities for management of what is their 'waste'  ... 

The reason inland water is expensive is often that sailing has to compete with trout fishing, which generates serious money.
Maybe sport just exists to use up all our spare money? If all boats were half the price, I'd buy a more expenssive one....
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I'm just about to change clubs form one on a water board reservoir to one on a 'flash'. The former don't allow dogs on site, or even on the footpaths surrounding the lake. If my non-sailing wife is to spend an afternoon watching me sail she will only do so if she can bring the dog :)
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Originally posted by JimC

Thing is the big clubs are the most expensive, and so are the big classes. Add to that increased travel time to fewer clubs and you're pushing an awful lot of people out of the sport.

Big inland clubs  are often on reservoirs and the water companies   being  (ex)public sector love their rules and regs , compared tothe attitude taken by the aggegate companies who are quite happy to turn over the vast majority of  responsibilities for management of what is their 'waste'  ... 
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